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U.S. Has Reached ‘Choose Your Poison’ Moment: Save the Dollar or Save Treasuries | Gromen & Makori
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Core thesis: “Choose Your Poison” for the US Treasury / Dollar regime
Luke Groman argues the US is approaching an inflection point where policymakers may have to choose between:
- Supporting/saving the US Treasury market (through liquidity, intervention, yield management), or
- Allowing Treasury yields to rise (which would strengthen the dollar, but worsen the debt spiral).
He frames the trigger as the Iran conflict, specifically the closure threat/continued closure of the Strait of Hormuz, interacting with already-stressed sovereign debt dynamics and high inflation risk.
Macro mechanics & risk chain (Debt spiral)
- Closing Hormuz → inflationary pressure (energy + supply chain disruptions)
- Higher inflation → upward pressure on sovereign bond yields
- Heavy debt burdens reduce rate tolerance:
- Groman claims the US “true interest expense” is ~100% of receipts
- Rising rates push interest/entitlements above receipts, worsening fiscal sustainability
- Feedback loop risk from large offshore dollar borrowing:
- Higher yields + stronger dollar
- Foreign dollar borrowers sell dollar assets / defend currencies
- Growth weakens → further pressures → yields rise again
- (“wash, rinse, repeat”)
Market evidence cited
- 10-year Treasury yield: ~3.94% → 3.9%, then “ripped” to ~4.5%
- S&P 500: down about 9% from late February to late March
- Three straight “terrible” Treasury auctions (March 23/24/25)
- Treasury volatility index:
- Rising to about 115
- He interprets 120–130 as a threshold for intervention
Expected policy tools (“all of the above” approach)
If authorities try to keep yields manageable, Groman lists/mentions multiple tools and maneuvers:
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Dollar liquidity injections / reserve management
- Not “QE” by name (he cites actions akin to RMPs / reverse repo management)
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Treasury buybacks via TBAC
- TBAC = Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee
- He suggests buybacks expanded under a successor/administration change (he says “President Bessant”)
- He says these tend to remove duration longer bonds in favor of shorter duration issues (supporting liquidity/yield control)
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Swap lines
- Example discussed: UAE demanded dollar swap lines
- He says “Bessant” responded
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Yield curve management / “jawboning”
- He notes markets respond when yields approach ~4.4%
- Mentions “peace deals” / reopening headlines potentially influencing yield levels
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Regulatory easing / SLR adjustments
- Reduce how Treasuries count against bank capital ratios (supplementary leverage ratio treatment)
- Goal: enable banks to hold Treasuries and continue lending
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Outright QE (as a last resort)
- He calls it possible, but believes policymakers “don’t want to do it” first
Key timeline / risk horizon
- Lagged effects: energy/supply disruptions impact inflation and expectations with delays of about 4–8 to 12 weeks
- Host’s near-term “deadline” question:
- Groman doubts resolution within a week is sufficient
- Even if reopened shortly, some supply chain/input effects may already be “baked in”
- Broader base case horizon:
- 5–6 years for the gold reserve re-rating thesis to play out broadly
Market Implications Described
Equities vs gold (relative purchasing power framing)
Groman describes a repeating pattern since early 2022:
- Equities up in USD terms, but down in gold terms
- Host cites:
- S&P 500 down roughly 40–45% in gold terms since 1Q 2022 (while up in USD terms)
- Similar framing applied to NASDAQ
Implications
- Higher volatility expected in sovereign bond markets
- Potential for a “whoosh down” (sharp equity drawdown) if yields spike
- But longer-run equities could “rally” in USD terms as liquidity appears—while real purchasing power shifts toward gold
Inflation & yield management conflict (“Sila and Karibdus”)
Worst-case risk:
- Further Iran escalation keeps Hormuz closed longer, making yield repression harder without weakening the dollar
Balancing act:
- Weaker dollar supports Treasury stabilization but risks higher inflation
- Higher inflation still pressures yields upward
- Policy must “stay between” constraints
Oil-energy trade and sector effects
If yields are repressed and oil is also pressured downward (e.g., via reopening/settlement):
- “Risk-on” may favor tech/AI-linked sectors, especially those benefiting from lower oil costs
Concrete inflation / commodity examples cited
- PPI: cited around ~6%
- Fertilizer shortages:
- Claim: 48–78% of US farmers can’t get enough fertilizer
- Wheat planting constraints; wheat limit up tied to lowest crop since 1972
- Copper:
- Issues via sulfuric acid constraints
- Import constraints tied to China export bans
Groman argues these demonstrate inflation persistence even if Hormuz reopening headlines arrive.
Gold + “Neutral Reserve Asset” Thesis (with numbers)
Gold re-rating mechanics & targets
He argues gold must rise substantially relative to foreign-held treasuries to return to historical norms:
- Current ratio (market value of US official gold vs foreign-held treasuries): ~13%
- Historical range: 40–60%
- Implied move:
- Gold up ~3–5x from current levels
Target range (rough example framework):
- If current implies ~$3,000–$5,000, then end-of-cycle target becomes:
- ~$15,000 to $22,000
- Timing: end of cycle / ~5–6 years
He distinguishes scenarios:
- Base case: “reversion to mean”
- Dollar crisis: could be ~10x
- Example cited: 1980 gold-to-treasury ratio ~130%
“Gold vs oil” end-state / proposed framework
He discusses a speculative but concrete end-game:
- Peg gold to oil (fixed energy unit)
- Revalue gold such that:
- ~500 barrels of oil per ounce of gold (and up to ~1,000 barrels in another example) define a stable energy-backed unit of account
- Concept: nations can set energy policy under that structure while stabilizing purchasing power
Gold vs Bitcoin competition
- Gold and Bitcoin “compete” for neutral reserve asset status
- In this regime, Groman says gold is the “written-in” reserve asset more likely to be central
- Bitcoin behavior is described as more like a software/tech growth stock correlation (NASDAQ-like), not a durable emergency reserve asset
Bitcoin Stance (explicit changes)
- He says they turned bearish on Bitcoin in mid-November 2025
- Personal action:
- Sold most Bitcoin around ~$96,000
- Around 23–24 ounces of gold per BTC
- Later:
- BTC fell to ~12 ounces per BTC
- Then bounced to ~16–17 ounces per BTC
- Price view:
- Still expects long-term Bitcoin can reach prior levels (host references $200,000)
- Near-term: less “runaway” behavior due to lack of a “real big print” (liquidity shock)
- Also because Bitcoin hasn’t “separated from software”
Base-case Global Macro Numbers (explicit forecast set)
For roughly 5 years, he outlines:
- DXY (US Dollar Index): in the 60s
- Gold: over $10,000
- 10-year Treasury yield: ~3.5%–4%
- Chinese yuan vs USD: around 4–5% weaker down from today
- Reference: ~6.78
- Euro: stronger
- Pound: weaker
- Oil: around $80/bbl
Theme outcomes
- Stronger US industrial base
- More robust Chinese consumer
- More balanced trade
Investor Positioning & Explicit Recommendations
Groman provides tilts (not a full portfolio construction):
- Overweight cash
- Overweight T-bills
- Overweight gold bullion
- Overweight gold miners
- Overweight US electrical infrastructure equities (“shovel and pick” for AI power demand)
Valuation / rationale signals
- Equities are described as in “La La Land” valuation terms
- Uses an “adjusted Warren Buffett metric”:
- (Equity market cap − federal debt) / GDP
- He claims this historically implies ~60% upside when valuations are low
- But says current conditions resemble past “bad times” where equity allocations were contrarian
- Uses an “adjusted Warren Buffett metric”:
- Mentions a “kryptonite” combination:
- TNX (10Y yield) × oil
- Only higher twice since the 1970s/55 years
- Implication: don’t chase equities in a financialized economy
Tickers / Instruments / Assets Mentioned
- US Treasuries (focus on 10-year yield)
- S&P 500
- NASDAQ
- Gold (bullion; gold miners)
- Bitcoin
- Oil (implied WTI/Brent; not specified)
- T-bills
- Cash
- IGV (software ETF mentioned as a chart comparison for BTC)
- AI / electrical infrastructure equities (no specific tickers provided)
- Policy/infrastructure tools/terms:
- Yellen / Fed / QE (conceptually)
- RMPs / reverse repo (policy tool reference)
- TBAC (Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee)
No other explicit equity/ETF tickers (e.g., GLD/AAPL) were stated in the subtitles beyond IGV.
Disclosures / Disclaimers
- The host includes a framing along the lines of “not investment advice per se”
- The discussion later becomes partly positioning-focused
- No explicit formal “not financial advice” quote is provided beyond the host’s “not investment advice per se” framing
Presenters / Sources
- Michelle McCrory (host; “The Real Story”)
- Luke Groman (top macro strategist; founder/president of Forest for the Trees (FFTT))
- Other referenced sources (non-presenters):
- Jeff Curry (Goldman commodities)
- Kubesi letter (used for dollar/payment statistics)
- Named corporate leaders (used to describe China trip delegation)
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