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Jake Sullivan’s View of U.S. Policy Toward Iran

Jake Sullivan argues that U.S. policy toward Iran is often shaped by incomplete understanding, unreliable expectations, and a mismatch between actions that reduce capability (e.g., strikes) and the political goal of achieving durable peace. He emphasizes the role of verification in Iran nuclear diplomacy, draws on firsthand experience from the Obama-era negotiations, and critiques the logic behind recent escalations involving Iran and the wider Middle East.

Key Arguments

1) Who “the U.S.” is negotiating with (and what communication really means)

Sullivan notes that while the U.S. and Iran often deny or confirm direct communications differently, the underlying reality is likely more complex than either side’s public claims. He suggests there may be messages and backchannels—not necessarily open “conversations”—especially before diplomatic breakthroughs.

2) Verification and compliance under the JCPOA

Sullivan argues that the Obama-era Iran nuclear deal included “deep verification,” including on-the-ground inspections across Iran’s nuclear infrastructure. He contends that Iran was complying during the JCPOA period, challenging the idea that violations should be blamed to justify sanctions relief. He also highlights the logic of “don’t trust and verify.”

3) Trump’s withdrawal and the pathway to escalation

Sullivan says Trump’s 2018 exit from the JCPOA undermined trust and complicated efforts to return to an agreement. He argues that later periods brought the U.S. close to resolution, but the U.S. could not re-enter the deal because Iran asked: why accept another agreement after Trump left?

He further claims that days before U.S. strikes, Iran offered a proposal in Geneva that could have helped resolve the nuclear dispute—but U.S. negotiators allegedly misread or failed to understand it, particularly regarding the enriched uranium downblending concept.

4) Capability vs. ambition (and the risk of making problems worse)

Sullivan distinguishes between reducing military capability and changing Iran’s political “ambition.” He argues that attacking or degrading Iran’s nuclear capacity may not reduce Iran’s incentives—instead, it can produce more ambition and further hostility, rather than lasting peace.

5) Israel/Gaza/Leverage and U.S. limits on direction

Sullivan discusses how U.S. and Israeli aims may diverge. He cites analysis suggesting Israel may seek disruption/chaos in Iran as a long-term strategy, not just deterrence.

He argues the U.S. cannot treat these aims as equivalent to “ending” the conflict—especially because Iran’s regional posture affects global stability (e.g., threats to the Straits of Hormuz, economic disruption, displacement, and broader spillover).

He also emphasizes constraints on U.S. influence: once weapons and political relationships are established, the U.S. cannot fully dictate Israeli or coalition military choices.

6) “Forever wars,” blowback, and U.S. strategic inconsistency

Sullivan agrees that the U.S. often struggles between influencing events and attempting to control outcomes. He points to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and related interventions as examples of poor anticipation of blowback.

He states that Biden’s goal was to end the “longest war” and avoid re-immersing U.S. forces in Middle East conflicts, while also arguing the broader U.S. contributed to global improvements such as health, poverty reduction, and literacy.

7) Why escalation persists under Trump (and what Sullivan thinks is the flaw)

Sullivan contrasts Trump’s earlier “peace” posture (2016–2020) with Trump’s later willingness to escalate against Iran. He suggests Trump’s approach assumes manageable consequences—for example, that Iran won’t respond or that costs won’t be immediate.

Sullivan says this assumption is historically contradicted by outcomes seen in Iraq/Afghanistan. He adds that U.S. leadership reportedly had warning signals that Iran might respond, but that Trump allegedly ignored them. He also claims the U.S. has offered multiple inconsistent explanations for its actions, while Iran reportedly has a coherent strategy of raising the cost to pressure Trump to stop bombing.

8) Reframing the core question: regime change and escalation logic

Sullivan argues that even the possibility of regime change would be viewed by Iran as existential, making retaliation or counter-strategy likely. He frames the core issue as a belief that U.S. actions can “work out” in the Middle East without triggering the kinds of responses and blowback the U.S. has repeatedly experienced.

Presenters/Contributors

Jake Sullivan
John (interviewer; “John” is referenced throughout)
John Feiner (mentioned regarding Sullivan’s podcast: “The Long Game with Jake Sullivan and John Feiner”)
Danny Centrrenowitz (referenced as the Israeli Defense Force intelligence lead for Iran)