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Ep 8. Customer Experience sin humo: estrategias que sí funcionan, con PEDRO SERRAHIMA

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Business-focused summary (Customer Experience “sin humo” — Pedro Serraima)

Core thesis

  • Customer experience (CX) is profitable when treated as a business model, not marketing. In telecoms, “CX” often turns into short-term deception (offers, promotions, messaging games).

  • The winning alternative is truthful operations, simple explanations, and protocol-based service that reduces dissatisfaction over time.

  • Small operators can move faster and win because they can serve customers personally and avoid complex “information management” games. Large incumbents can still transform—through staged pilots and governance changes.

Frameworks / playbooks mentioned or implied

Anti-lie operating principle

  • Don’t promise what you can’t deliver, or hide key information.
  • Don’t manipulate customers’ information asymmetry.
  • Design systems that make the truth easy to know.

“Bare-bones” CX playbook (PPf / Pepefón approach)

  • Avoid heavy discounts and new-customer gimmicks.
  • Use simple pricing logic; explain the cost structure.
  • Don’t rely on sales scripts when the customer’s “job” is to solve a problem.

Pilot → scale model (Telefónica “Island” project)

  • Run a macro-pilot by redirecting a segment of customers to a dedicated call center.
  • Change incentives and service rules first; measure before full rollout.

CX measurement skepticism

  • NPS is easily manipulated.
  • Prefer process satisfaction and operational signals.

Customer-centric governance

  • Pay providers for customer outcomes (satisfaction/completion) rather than tasks (installations/call handling).

Employee experience as the operating layer

  • CX depends on employee experience and what employees actually do in front of customers.

Key examples / case studies

1) Pepefón (PPF) at launch: “normal business” CX

What they did (different from telecom standard practice):

  • Started without:
    • subsidies
    • discounts
    • “free phone” / aggressive new-customer offers
    • marketing-heavy campaigns or social media promotion (except direct responses to customers)
  • No outbound “calls to sell”.
  • No marketing messages to customers beyond legitimate-interest/service-related communications.
  • Customer support design:
    • Existing customers used a toll-free number.
    • Non-customers used a premium-rate number (to avoid “better deal for newcomers” behavior).

Brand promise (in practice):

  • Price where the company makes money (not “take advantage now” tactics).
  • If price improves, it improves for existing customers first / automatically, not only for new sign-ups.

Outcomes/scale mentioned:

  • Initially a “complete and utter failure” commercially (short-term mismatch), though the parent group delayed closing it.
  • At sale:
    • 23 employees
    • 460,000 customers
    • €64 million billing (approx., as stated)

Why it worked later (management angle):

  • Customers believed the transparency and consistency—creating trust and reducing perceived deception.

2) Telefónica / O2 and multi-brand transformation: simplify and refocus incentives

Problem with incumbents:

  • Complexity makes “CX-by-default” harder; systems and incentives revert to manipulation.

Strategy: close and rebuild inside the same ecosystem

  • Serraima was brought in to “fix O2” (described as fixing/closing the old approach).
  • Shift toward:
    • not contacting customers to sell
    • implementing service protocols
    • reducing marketing nonsense

Business result cited:

  • In 6–8 months, O2 reportedly generated revenue comparable to the previous brand’s multi-year performance.
  • Then the old variants were closed/consolidated (he references continuing with O2 / Tent and moving toward further consolidation).

3) “Isla” project at Telefónica: macro-pilot CX operations redesign (Jan 2023 start)

Pilot structure (operational design):

  • Started January 2023.
  • Redirected a customer group equivalent to one Spain call center plus abroad.
  • 200 people left / were reassigned into a separate operating model:
    • The A Coruña call center was used as the base.
  • Result:
    • 220,000 customers served under new rules (customers reportedly “didn’t even know” it was a different operating model).

Incentive change (major governance lever):

  • Old model: agents paid to sell.
  • New model: agents paid to solve problems.
  • Rule: operate for at least 1 to 1.5 years without daily pressure on next-day earnings; loyalty/dissatisfaction metrics should reveal ROI.

Forecast logic:

  • Expect fewer sales early.
  • Expect lower cancellations and higher loyalty later.
  • Fewer callbacks and simpler calls → can run with fewer agents.

Operational CX principles implemented (contact-center playbook):

  • Replace “sales opportunity” mindset with problem ownership.
  • Example rules:
    • greet by name (colleague identification)
    • explain why call drops can block callbacks
    • if not solvable in one call, schedule follow-up time and call back
    • avoid second-level “dumping”; don’t pass calls on

Quantitative operational claims:

  • 40% of claims resolved automatically in the same call.
  • ~99.9% of claims resolved within 24 hours.
  • AI plus revised monitoring logic used to confirm resolution.

Core measurable outcome theme:

  • Reduce the customer dissatisfaction cost: rescheduling visits, repeated contacts, and unresolved issues.

4) Telefónica ORTI (network/field operations): change contractor payment model

CX-to-ops governance change:

  • Traditional: contractors paid to install (task-based).
  • New: contractors paid only when customer evaluation confirms readiness/satisfaction (outcome-based).
  • “Install” becomes a verb inside the obligation to deliver a satisfied customer.

Behavioral resistance and proof:

  • Biggest contractor initially refused (“it’s rubbish”).
  • Others adopted the new model.
  • After months, the largest contractor reversed and adopted because it became financially/operationally better.

Additional operational change:

  • Deployment remains geographic, but planning now also accounts for:
    • call center issue areas
    • complaint hotspots
    • network quality data
  • Shift from “deploy coverage” to solve customer-issue drivers of dissatisfaction.

Metrics / KPIs / targets extracted

Isla macro-pilot

  • Start: January 2023
  • Duration commitment: 1 to 1.5 years before pressure on next-day earnings comparisons
  • Customer volume: 220,000 customers
  • Resolution metrics:
    • 40% resolved automatically in the same call
    • 99.9% resolved within 24 hours (commitment)

Telefónica / Pepefón scale at sale

  • 460,000 customers
  • €64 million billing
  • 23 employees

Measurement stance

  • NPS criticized as manipulable.
  • Alternative: “process satisfaction” and operational telemetry:
    • number of calls
    • call duration / time-to-resolution
    • customer satisfaction per process (not tied to contract wording)

No explicit CAC/LTV/churn targets were stated, but churn/cancellation reduction is discussed as an expected medium-term result in Isla.

Actionable recommendations (what to copy)

  • Don’t build CX as a marketing layer Treat CX as an operating system: protocols, scripts, follow-up rules, and incentive structures.

  • Stop “better offers for newcomers” and asymmetry tactics Improve pricing/benefits for existing customers first; communicate transparently.

  • Rewire contact-center KPIs Agent objective: solve the customer problem—not sell, and not maximize call duration. Reduce transfers; use time-bound callbacks when resolution isn’t immediate.

  • Use AI/automation for fast resolution Aim for same-call resolution and a 24-hour SLA for the vast majority of claims.

  • Pay for customer outcomes, not tasks In field/network operations, shift contractor compensation from “installation performed” to “customer satisfied/evaluation passed.”

  • Measure CX with less gameable indicators Avoid NPS as a primary KPI; use process satisfaction and operational telemetry (call volume, resolution speed, recurrence).

Presenter / sources

  • Presenter/Guest: Pedro Serra(h)ima (Pedro Serraima)
  • Interviewers/Hosts: Nanes Martínez Arroyo, Agustín Rosetti
  • Other named source (mentioned): Xavier Marcet (reference regarding short-term vs medium/long-term decisions)

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