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High Bandwidth Flash Is Coming
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Key takeaways
Main technological concepts (LLM inference + memory bottlenecks)
Prefill vs. Decode
- Prefill: Processes the input in parallel (e.g., prompt, system prompt, prior replies, tool calls, multimodal data).
- Transformer attention produces Query/Key/Value, where Key/Value are stored.
- Decode: Generates output one token at a time, consulting the KV Cache for prior context.
KV Cache purpose
- Stores attention Key/Value from earlier tokens so the model doesn’t repeatedly recompute attention over the entire prompt/state.
- Performance trade:
- Prefill is more compute-bound (parallelizable).
- Decode is more memory-bound (waiting on data loads), making memory bandwidth/latency critical for token throughput.
Why memory tech matters now (“cultivating MASS”)
Two compounding growth drivers
- LLM weights (e.g., multi-trillion-parameter models)
- Example mentioned: Kimi K3 at ~2.8T params; terabyte-scale at 8-bit.
- KV Cache size
- Grows with long-context and long-running agents (up to ~1M tokens mentioned).
Current mitigation idea: KV compression/blocking
- Splits KV into blocks, moving less-frequently used parts to SSD while keeping “hot” parts in HBM.
- Downside: compression can reduce detail fidelity (likened to a “blurry JPG”).
HBM: benefits and emerging limitations
HBM overview
- 3D-stacked memory with a logic base die and stacked DRAM dies via TSVs (through-silicon vias).
Core criticism / concern
- As stacks get taller to add capacity, bandwidth per layer/die can get diluted due to TSV/stack trade-offs.
- Potential economics/performance issue:
- Increasing capacity may become more expensive and may reduce effective per-core throughput at extreme stack heights.
Reported industry sentiment
- Discussion referenced Irrational Analysis suggesting HBM could be a “mistake.”
- During Hot Chips 2026, a SemiAnalysis/analyst-style question highlighted bandwidth dilution when using taller stacks (more layers) instead of improving speed.
High Bandwidth Flash (HBF): what it is and why it’s being considered
What HBF claims to do
- Concept: stack/connect flash (NAND) dies similar to how HBM stacks DRAM dies, using advanced packaging (not monolithic 3D NAND).
- Capacity advantage:
- Described as potentially 8–16× higher per stack than HBM (example given: ~512GB vs ~36GB per HBM4 stack).
- Bandwidth goal:
- Keeps “high bandwidth” semantics and may increase bandwidth by exposing more NAND cells to the GPU.
- Effective figure mentioned: up to ~3 TB/s (with comparisons to HBM3E/HBM4 numbers).
Key downsides / constraints (“the catch”)
Because NAND isn’t DRAM, the discussion emphasizes three major limitations:
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Much slower program/write
- Program/write is ~2 orders of magnitude slower than HBM.
- Leads to latency concerns (programming is slower than reading).
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Endurance / wear-out
- NAND cells have limited write cycles (framed as thousands of cycles in an order-of-magnitude comparison).
- Implication: workloads should be read-mostly, with careful write minimization.
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Power and thermal costs
- Large HBF “cubes” consume more power and generate more heat.
- Heat can cause throttling, worsening effective endurance/performance.
Product/support ecosystem timeline and standardization
Earlier research lineage
- 2019 IEEE 3D Systems Integrated Conference work introduced “High Bandwidth NAND” using TSV/bump-less approaches.
Commercial/industry milestones (as described)
- Feb 2025: SanDisk introduces HBF at its Future FWD investor day.
- May 2024: Patent filing mentioned.
- July 2025: HBF Technical Advisory Board formed
- Includes David Patterson and Raja Koduri.
- Aug 2025: MOU with SK hynix for spec standardization.
- (Timeline described): Google and Tenstorrent join a consortium.
- ~Aug 2026: Open Compute Project public spec release
- Version 0.7.0.
- Samsung has a related approach (zNAND-O), described as potentially similar but not guaranteed to match HBF.
“Where does it go?” (integration strategy for AI systems)
Proposed place in the memory hierarchy
- The pitch: place HBF alongside HBM at Tier 1 (near the GPU).
- Use HBM for “hot” data and HBF for “warmer” / larger data.
- Constraint: GPU interposer footprint (capacity trade-offs must fit physically).
Example scaling math (as stated)
- A GPU with 8×24GB HBM (~192GB total) could become 6 HBF + 2 HBM, reaching ~3.12TB total memory.
Major systems caveat: token throughput isn’t automatically cheaper
- Hot Chips 2026 systems point:
- Even if capacity is cheap, token generation speed depends on whether the system can supply data fast enough from HBF.
- Requires extensive software support and intelligent data placement.
Software/workload implications emphasized in the video
“HBF Sucks?” paper (described)
- Argues:
- HBF is not a drop-in replacement for SSDs.
- Software must carefully decide what goes into HBF—example: shared prompts.
- Model-structure fit:
- A Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) model may be a better candidate because only a subset of experts is read per token, making lower bandwidth per GB potentially more acceptable.
- Contrasts with a naive assumption that “more capacity = faster performance.”
Historical analogy: Intel Optane lessons (failure modes to avoid)
Comparison to Optane (3D XPoint / PCM)
- HBF is compared to Optane, which was marketed as “in-between” NAND and DRAM (“warm data” with DRAM-like latency).
- Optane struggled due to market/price pressure and strategy issues, despite promising memory technology.
Takeaway for HBF
- Avoid repeating Optane’s pitfalls in:
- controller/productization,
- go-to-market strategy,
- and ensuring the platform actually delivers promised performance with software support.
Reviews/guides/tutorial references
- No direct step-by-step how-to guide is presented.
- The discussion cites technical papers/specs as evidence, including:
- Transformer inference concepts (prefill/decode/KV cache)
- 2019 IEEE “High Bandwidth NAND”
- 2026 Hot Chips system integration discussion
- “HBF Sucks?” performance/placement analysis
- Open Compute Project spec v0.7.0
Key speakers/sources mentioned (by the video)
- Irrational Analysis
- SemiAnalysis analyst (questioner at Hot Chips 2026, quoted via Irrational Analysis)
- Micron, Samsung, SK hynix (memory makers presenting at Hot Chips 2026)
- A. Agrawal and R. Giduthuri (Hot Chips 2026 architects discussing HBF integration)
- Koji Sakui and Takayuki Ohba (authors of the 2019 “High Bandwidth NAND” concept)
- SanDisk
- David Patterson and Raja Koduri (HBF Technical Advisory Board)
- Google, Tenstorrent (joined the consortium)
- Open Compute Project (HBF spec v0.7.0 release)
- Intel Optane history: Intel and Micron (Optane/3D XPoint background) and Alper Ilkbahar (linked to HBF leadership and previously Optane group leadership)
- Samsung (mentioned for zNAND-O alternative)
- Hot Chips / Hot Chips 2026 (talks and Q&A)
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