Gold & Silver Are Rallying — But Is the Real Breakout Still Years Away? | Patrick Karim

Finance-Focused Summary (Markets, Investing Framework, Macro, Risk)

Precious Metals (Gold & Silver Miners)

Chart-based thesis (monthly timeframe)

The speaker argues the metals sector appears to be in “step one” of a potential bottom/recovery—not a fully confirmed long-term bottom yet.

On the miners complex (via ASA, described as tracking miners similarly to GDX, HUI, XAU), the following are highlighted:

• Lost a rising support line
• Lost the 12-month moving average, but is about to regain it
• Lost momentum, defined as the distance from the 36-month moving average
  • With the 36-month moving average falling, the correction is still working through

Magnitude of correction (explicit):

• Price correction cited: ~43% down

“Wall” / key level for a lower-risk entry (explicit):

• A potential “wall” at $81 is cited on the ASA chart as an area for a “lower risk, higher reward” entry.

Caution on bottom-picking / timing risk

• Bottom calls are criticized as low-probability: “more potential bottoms than actual bottoms.”
• Even if someone buys the exact bottom, there’s time drag:
  • If breakout takes months/years, gains can be diluted over time.
• There is also risk that a larger pattern forms, described as a possible “rug pull” scenario.

Conditional confirmation vs uncertainty

• No bottom confirmation yet, because gold has not shown the same monthly breakout evidence as in prior cycles.
• The current setup is framed as a bounce with a bullish-looking pattern (e.g., bull flag / expanding wedge),
  • but the pattern has not “morphed into existence” until later breakout/pattern confirmation occurs.

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Step-by-step framework used for the precious-metals setup

• Use the monthly chart
  • faster than very long cycles
  • slower than daily (to reduce false signals)
• Check whether price has:
  • lost / started to regain the rising support line
  • lost / regained the 12-month moving average
  • regained momentum relative to the 36-month moving average
• Avoid asserting bottoms early. Instead:
  • Identify a key “wall” level ($81 on ASA)
  • Look for gold-led confirmation
    • Example mentioned: late 2023 gold breakout helped signal miners’ bottom
  • Wait for a larger pattern to break out using higher timeframe evidence before concluding the low is “behind us”

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Long-Term Macro Relative-Value Trade (Silver vs Stock Market)

Key relative chart

The speaker presents silver vs the stock market as more informative than gold vs stocks, arguing:

• Silver historically was more free-floating, making the ratio chart clearer than gold (which was pegged earlier).

Time horizon / chart construction

• Shown on a quarterly chart
  • each candle covers ~3/4 of data (as stated), reducing noise
• Starts in 1897
• Ratio uses Dow Jones divided by silver.

Observed historical pattern (conceptual)

• Silver and the stock market often rise together.
• In later phases, the stock market fails to outpace silver as effectively,
  • meaning the ratio tends to deteriorate for stocks vs silver.

Analog periods referenced:

• 1929 bubble and deflation
• dot-com bubble
• A run from 2012–2018
• Another run around ~2020–2021 (described as the market not outpacing silver)

Yields / macro backdrop (explicit numbers—imprecise wording)

• Yields are said to be around levels seen in 1968 (“pretty much the same yield level”).
• The argument: rising yields pressure stocks, but metals can still benefit through relative-value dynamics in that regime.

Current positioning

The ratio is described as:

• Showing reflation recently (silver recovering vs stocks)
• Positioned:
  • below a long-term resistance
  • above a long-term rising support line (described as ~45-year rising support line)
• The speaker stresses a true breakout may take time.

Explicit risk scenario / trigger

A bearish outcome is framed as a “super capital rotation event” if the support/rising line breaks downward, with examples cited:

• ~$20,000 gold
• ~$800 silver
• ~$300 oil

Bearish invalidation condition (flip trigger):

• If price breaks above a descending upper line on the ratio chart timeframe,
  • the speaker says they would flip their script (invalidating the bullish silver-vs-stocks thesis).

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Stock Market View (SPX implied) & Rates/Yields Context

Rates / yields discussion

• Yields are described as rising “significantly higher recently.”
• The speaker disputes a simple inverse relationship:
  • rising yields are not guaranteed to force stocks down.

Stock market technical stance (higher timeframe)

On the monthly chart, the speaker says:

• The stock market looks “nothing wrong” and is trending upward.
• It is “stretched-ish”, but not showing clear momentum failure yet.
• A key condition:
  • watch whether it’s losing rising momentum away from the 36-month moving average.

Relative weakness to metals

• The main “risk” to stocks is relative underperformance vs silver.
• A prior chart suggests stocks may be vulnerable if the “gravy train ends.”

Bottom-line recommendation style

• Emphasis: trade the chart.
• The speaker repeatedly underscores technical confirmation, not prediction.

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Key Instruments / Tickers Mentioned

Miners / Metals Funds & Proxies

• ASA (precious metals fund; “wall at $81”)
• GDX (gold miners ETF)
• HUI (gold/silver miners proxy)
• XAU (gold index proxy)

Commodities / Macro References

• Gold
• Silver
• Oil

Equity Benchmark References

• SPX (S&P 500 implied; “stock market”)
• Dow Jones (used in the silver ratio chart vs silver)

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Explicit Recommendations / Cautions

• Don’t chase or assert bottoms early; confirmation is required (especially on higher timeframes).
• A potential lower-risk entry idea centers on:
  • ASA “wall” at ~ $81
• For traders:
  • Relief rallies/bounces can be tradable on smaller timeframes, but near prior monthly highs the speaker implies it’s more likely an exit/avoid new longs zone until a true breakout is confirmed.
• Broader warning:
  • Even if a bottom is correct, missing the real breakout can lead to time dilution and potentially worsening downside if the pattern expands.

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Disclosures / Disclaimers

• No explicit “not financial advice” disclaimer appears in the provided subtitles.

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Presenters / Sources Mentioned

• Patrick Karim / Patrick Carreon (speaker; referenced by both names)
• Vlad (host; repeatedly addressed)
• Northstar Bad Charts (service/platform referenced; linked in description per host)