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E3 – ‘Young People In Logistics’ with Steven Granite
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Key takeaways
Podcast purpose & context
The “Logistics” podcast (Aspen Search & Selection), in partnership with Beverley (former senior traffic commissioner and CEO of Beverley Belt Training Consultancy), aims to highlight industry realities and improve awareness around:
- Young people in logistics
- Diversity & inclusion, including women in logistics
An early industry insight shared upfront: in the UK, demand for young people is 4.6x higher than the number of young people aspiring to join the sector.
The core theme: the bottleneck is less “need” and more “awareness, understanding, and access to pathways.”
Who’s speaking
- Steve Granite
- ~28 years in logistics
- Executive Chairman of Abbey Logistics Co
- Founder of Think Logistics
- Long-time contributor to educating young people about logistics career opportunities
Career and operating approach (Abbey Logistics growth)
Entry strategy: “learn by doing” rotation
Steve describes a fast immersion across functions, starting young:
- Began at age 15 (in the 1990s) with a small family transport business
- Worked through multiple roles, including:
- Cab/driver experience
- Cleaning trucks
- Finance
- Transport planning
- Early internal staffing logic: matched people to roles (e.g., “good with figures → finance”)
Scaling milestones (quantified)
- Early stage: ~£18m turnover, employing ~150 people
- By ~2016: ~£45m turnover, employing ~400
- “Today” (at interview time): £75–£80m turnover, employing ~650
Strategic diversification, then refocus
- Expanded from UK liquid transport into:
- General haulage
- Warehousing
- Powders
- Europe
- Later divested general haulage, but strengthened positions in:
- Food tankers
- Described as the UK’s largest food tanker business and one of Europe’s largest
- Food tankers
Leadership succession and exit structure
- Steve stepped aside, later returning as part of a leadership/team expansion
- 2016: aimed to avoid a “trade sale” and aligned management incentives
- North Edge (Manchester):
- brought equity
- incentivized the management team with shares so leaders would grow the business for investors
“No silver bullet” execution mindset
Steve doesn’t name a formal growth framework, but the effective playbook is:
- Persistence + determination
- Expect setbacks and volatility, not linear growth
- Continuous learning from frontline exposure—e.g., how orders translate into cash collection
Workforce challenge and early differentiation
Steve argues logistics faces:
- An aging workforce
- Insufficient young entrants
- Logistics “invisibility” / limited understanding of what the sector actually is
Abbey’s differentiation approach emphasized being more attractive through:
- Local opportunity
- Development
- (Implicitly) stronger talent pipeline practices, including how it recruits and supports people
Think Logistics / youth pipeline program (practical case study)
Origin story: making recruitment repeatable
Steve previously benefited from a school-linked model (around 1995) where local businesses recruited “future managers.”
- Think Logistics started ~2010–2011 to replicate that next wave of youth recruitment.
Direct outreach process (what worked vs what didn’t)
- Email outreach: slow/no response for weeks to months
- Shifted approach: drove to the school rather than relying on email
- Outcome: school leadership invited Think Logistics to present
“Getting back to basics” presentation adaptation
At a school event, the audience initially had no understanding of logistics.
- He stopped the pre-planned presentation mid-way
- Asked: “Do you know what Logistics is?”
- There were no real answers, only misconceptions (e.g., “is it UPS?”)
He reframed the session around:
- What logistics actually is
- The career path
- Why Abbey is a strong decision
Concrete outcomes
- After the session: ~50 students engaged
- Ultimately hired two
- one became an accountant
- one still works at the company
Program thesis
- Talent exists; the bottleneck is awareness and understanding
- Youth need role models
- “They don’t want to listen to old people.”
Business rationale for lobbying (driver shortages)
Steve frames lobbying government as a way to protect the economy: logistics constraints threaten growth, and government decisions can block recruitment.
Causes affecting driver supply he cites include:
- COVID: European drivers returning home; training/instruction disrupted
- Brexit: difficulty recruiting European drivers
- Immigration policy issues
- Drivers not treated as “essential workers” (as described)
- Temporary visas (e.g., three-month visa) criticized as ineffective
- Skills/test capacity constraint
- Even when employers wanted to train inexperienced candidates, they struggled to get driving tests scheduled
How he engaged externally
- Used press/interview opportunities (e.g., citing Conservative Party Conference and outreach via associations)
- Reported ministers’ disconnect, including a minister admitting limited knowledge of logistics and inability to answer immediately
Government-funded “boot camps” (execution impact)
Steve credits a major intervention:
- Boot camps funded by government to cover license acquisition
Why it mattered operationally:
- Boot camps improved the pipeline “on the ground” because instructors and tests worked through real demand
- He described it as completing a “sequence”:
- industry-funded school engagement first
- government funding then triggered broader scaling and sustained impact
Upcoming/next-stage strategic challenge (5-year lens)
Alternative fuels dependency
The next major operational constraint is alternative fuels (as transcribed).
Key dependency:
- Large corporates want decarbonization now
- But firms can’t decide because of:
- Infrastructure gaps
- Too many options
- Waiting for workable rollout conditions
Action requested from government
Support infrastructure rollout for alternative fuels to unblock corporate logistics transformation.
Autonomous vehicles stance (UK practicality)
Steve’s view: autonomous vehicles won’t happen in the UK (contrasted with US/Australia), at least not in the timeframe implied in the discussion.
Hiring and interview “selection” guidance (people/ops tactics)
In interviews, Steve advises prioritizing:
- Ambition and motivation
- Not just academic results (results are “secondary”)
- Common sense and attitude
Practical screening principle:
- High results but low motivation/drive → likely not a fit
- Motivation/attitude can be trained and often correlate with:
- reliability
- progress in operations-heavy roles
Metrics / KPIs explicitly mentioned
Workforce pipeline
- Demand vs aspiration (UK stat): young people demand logistics 4.6x more than young people aspire to join it
Hiring outcome from one program session
- ~50 engaged → 2 hires
Company performance growth (Abbey Logistics)
- ~£18m turnover, ~150 employees (earlier stage)
- ~£45m turnover, ~400 employees (~2016)
- £75–£80m turnover, ~650 employees (current at interview time)
Program timeline
- Think Logistics launched around 2010–2011
Actionable recommendations embedded in the conversation
For employers / youth pipeline builders
- Replace jargon-heavy presentations with “logistics basics” (ensure students can define the term)
- Use personal outreach when formal channels stall (in-person school visits)
- Share clear stories of career progression and concrete opportunities—not just general promises
For policymakers / sector bodies
- Fund and scale “boot camp” pathways that solve:
- license acquisition
- test availability
- Fix alternative-fuel infrastructure constraints to accelerate adoption
- Ensure immigration and training policies match real operational bottlenecks (e.g., tests, driver access)
Sources / presenters
- Steve Granite
- Executive Chairman, Abbey Logistics Co
- Founder, Think Logistics
- John Wilson
- Head of Logistics & Transport Recruitment, Aspen Search & Selection
- Host/introducer
- Beverley Belt Training Consultancy / Beverley
- Former senior traffic commissioner and CEO (name mentioned as partnership source; not fully transcribed in subtitles)