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Beyond The Mag 7 – Positioning For Earnings Peaking and Yields Rising – Liz Ann Sonders

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Finance-focused Summary (Markets, Investing, Macro, Earnings, Risk)

Macro & Rates / Yield Context

  • Global yields have risen, with debate around whether the move has already been “priced in” to equities.
  • Key U.S. rates mentioned:
    • 10-year Treasury ~4.8% (discussed moving up; references around 4.8% → ~4.80%, with “next… 5%”)
    • 30-year Treasury ~5.3%
  • Qualitative drivers / framing:
    • Yields are described as normalizing versus prior “financial repression” (post-pandemic / post-GFC era).
    • Yield sensitivity is linked to sector performance:
      • Utilities and Real Estate were among the worst performers in the cited ~2-month window.
      • Rotation discussed into Energy (cyclically “obvious”) and Financials (supported by yield/curve dynamics).

“Orderly vs Disorderly” Rates Move (Risk Management Lens)

A “disorderly” move is framed less as a single turning-point level and more as:

  • Investor psychology
  • Speed of the move
  • Bond-market volatility, using the MOVE Index (fixed income volatility proxy), described as relatively calm

Specific cautions highlighted:

  • ~4.75% framed as an initial psychological level
  • Concern increases if:
    • 10Y breaches 5%, and
    • bond volatility rises (MOVE picks up), or yields move very quickly from ~4.8% to above 5%

Fed Policy View & “Escalator vs Elevator”

The presenter argues the key for equities is the speed of Fed moves, not only the level.

  • Best guess: Fed hikes 25 bps
  • Historical equity performance tied to tightening pace (as provided):
    • Fast hiking cycles: about -4% over the subsequent year
    • Slow tightening cycles: > +10% over the subsequent year
    • Aggregate after the Fed starts a hiking cycle: about +4.5% over the subsequent year

Fed vs Treasury / Bond-Buyback Discussion (Bessent, Curve Dynamics)

Discussion includes:

  • “Treasury Secretary Bessent” attempting to cap longer-term yields by doubling long-end buybacks
  • Concerns raised:
    • Could conflict with a more hawkish Fed posture (Fed wants balance sheet shrink / tighter conditions)
    • Addresses the symptom (yields) more than the cause:
      • Fiscal deficits / runaway debt
      • Need for higher compensation to finance debt
    • Supply-side inflation angle:
      • Inflation is not framed as purely demand-driven; Fed can only do so much
  • Corporate bond “AI” issuance described as a “shiny new object,” potentially drawing demand from Treasuries—especially investment grade versus junk

Correlation Regime: Bond Yields vs Stocks

A secular point: the market is in “deep negative correlation territory” between bond yields and stock prices.

Framework described:

  • Great Moderation era (late 1990s–2022 inflation spike/pandemic):
    • Bond yields and stocks were positively correlated
  • Earlier inflation/volatility era (mid-1960s–late 1990s):
    • Bond yields and stocks moved in opposite directions, weakening the usefulness of stock/bond diversification

Implication:

  • Portfolio construction should account for higher sensitivity to yield changes and correlation shifts, not just the 10Y level.

Earnings & Valuation Positioning (Inflection, Concentration, Dispersion)

AI Mega-Cap Earnings “Inflection” Risk

  • The AI/mega-cap earnings engine still looks strong, but “math eventually matters.”
  • Key idea:
    • Base effects can disadvantage ongoing earnings growth
  • Watch for:
    • Where earnings growth starts to slow (not “imminent,” but important)

Company / Ticker Mentions Tied to Earnings & AI Capex

  • Nvidia
  • Micron
  • Broadcom
  • Samsung (reported; surprise described as coming from missing whisper expectations)
  • Additional S&P earnings contribution names mentioned:
    • Tesla
    • Chevron
    • Exxon
  • “Neural 9” / expanded AI basket referenced (described as including Nvidia, Micron, Broadcom + the MAG 7)

Concrete Earnings Concentration Numbers (S&P 500 Context)

Quantitative claims for calendar year 2026 earnings growth:

  • Nvidia = 18% of expected earnings growth
  • Micron adds 14%
  • Together: ~32% (about one-third of expected S&P earnings growth from two companies)
  • Top 10 earnings growth contributors:
    • Chevron and Exxon added (described as #9 and #10)
  • Concentration implication:
    • Top 10 contributors represent two-thirds of S&P earnings growth
    • A high-profile miss could trigger:
      • Ratcheting down estimates
      • Market psychology effects
      • Ultimately more dispersion across stocks

Dispersion & “Better or Worse Matters More”

  • “Inflection” framed as the rate of change, not only the level:
    • Example: growth dropping from 60% to 30% is still high, but the direction matters
  • Dispersion mechanism example:
    • Samsung beat consensus on top/bottom line but undershot “whisper” expectations → stock reaction
  • Linked to:
    • More stock-level dislocations
    • Transition from aggregate “good AI numbers” toward broader dispersion across mega-caps

Valuation Metrics (Forward P/E)

  • Forward valuation discussion (S&P 500 implied):
    • Forward P/E ~22 earlier in the year → ~19 currently
    • Interpretation: not “so bad,” but limited multiple upside if inflation remains elevated / doesn’t come down
  • Valuation disclaimer:
    • Forward P/E has near-zero correlation with subsequent 1-year S&P 500 performance (explicitly: “rounds to no correlation”)
    • Conclusion: valuation is mainly a sentiment indicator, not a timing tool

Rotation & Sector Positioning (Portfolio Construction Themes)

Sector Performance & Drawdown Dispersion

  • Best performing sector (YTD / “calendar 2026 already”):
    • Energy: about double the performance of Tech
    • Despite strong returns, energy’s index weight (~3.5%) limits overall index drag
  • Laggards:
    • Utilities and Real Estate (tied again to higher yields / rate sensitivity)

Rotation argument: even if index-level drawdowns aren’t severe, rotation drives large “average member” drawdowns:

  • S&P index max drawdown: ~9% (referenced post “Iran war” period)
  • Average S&P constituents’ max drawdown: ~-25.5%
  • NASDAQ index max drawdown: ~13%
  • Average NASDAQ constituents’ max drawdown: ~-45%

Takeaway:

  • Rotation can “ease excesses” through relative performance swings rather than one major market-wide correction.

“Rotation is the New Momentum Trade”

  • Base case: rapid-fire rotations rather than a single linear trend
  • Expected to persist “for some time,” absent a black swan (e.g., credit crunch)

Sector Preference Ratings & Factor Overlay Approach

Preferred sectors (more favorable “ratings”):

  • Industrials
  • Materials
  • Financials

Less favorable:

  • Utilities
  • Real Estate

Also noted:

  • More favorable valuation stance for healthcare

Portfolio framework:

  • Use factor-based investing as an overlay to sectors (not only overweight/underweight)
  • Factor examples:
    • Growth: positive/improving forward estimates
    • Stability/strength: stable margins
    • Earnings: positive earnings surprises
    • Value: traditional PE, price-to-book, price-to-sales
    • Balance sheet: free cash flow, high interest coverage

Emphasis:

  • Factor screening helps determine which names within sectors should outperform/underperform amid ongoing dispersion.

Size / Style Performance Mention

  • Russell 2000: noted as having double the performance of the S&P YTD and outperforming over the past two years.

Political Calendar / Volatility (Midterms) and Macro Risk

  • Midterms can matter; volatility may pick up in summer / lead-in.
  • Schwab Washington team probabilities mentioned:
    • House flips: about 75%
    • Senate flips: about 40–45%
  • Risk framing:
    • If House flips but Senate doesn’t: could drive sharper reaction (“not terribly surprising”)
    • Either way: fewer executive-order decisions requiring Congress; investigations could increase

Wealth Effect & Risk/Reward of Equity Exposure

  • Wealth effect risk: equity drawdown persistence could have greater downside impact.
  • Sentiment/exposure claim:
    • Household assets in equities are at a higher share than typically seen historically (“we’ve never seen a higher share…”)
  • Historical analogy:
    • Internet bubble:
      • Equity peak: March 2000
      • Bottom: Oct 2022 (noted as appearing inconsistent in the subtitles; context suggests an early-2000s drawdown period)
    • Recession in 2001: about 9–10 months
  • Conclusion:
    • Risk is about both severity/persistence and the feedback loop between markets and the real economy.

Explicit Recommendations / Portfolio Risk Actions

Not a “timing” recommendation—more risk discipline:

  • Be mindful of concentration
  • Diversify across and within asset classes
  • Rebalancing:
    • Many mutual funds rebalance the last week of the quarter
    • Suggests a “portfolio-based rebalancing” approach:
      • Trim assets/stocks that ran up disproportionately
      • Add to underperformers within a strategic allocation

Warning / disclaimer-like content:

  • Concern about “gambling mentality,” especially among younger investors, including:
    • short-term/speculative trading
    • options activity
    • leveraged/inverse instruments
    • single-stock ETFs framed as “get in/get out” behavior
  • Invest vs gamble framing:
    • “Owning a stake” vs “spectator hoping”

Disclosures / Sponsors / Non-Advice Language

  • Multiple statements that the content is for general information, not:
    • a financial promotion
    • investment advice
    • personal recommendations

Tickers / Instruments / Sectors Mentioned

Tickers / Companies

  • Nvidia (NVDA)
  • Micron (MU)
  • Broadcom (AVGO)
  • Tesla (TSLA)
  • Chevron (CVX)
  • Exxon (XOM)
  • Samsung (no ticker provided in subtitles)

Indexes / Benchmarks

  • S&P 500
  • NASDAQ
  • Russell 2000

Instruments / Proxies

  • 10-year Treasury
  • 30-year Treasury
  • Short-term gilts / UK government bonds
  • MOVE Index
  • Fed funds rate
  • VIX (equity volatility proxy mentioned)

Sectors

  • Energy
  • Utilities
  • Real Estate
  • Financials
  • Industrials
  • Materials
  • Healthcare
  • Communication services (noted as part of “AI basket” framing)

Themes / Groupings

  • AI basket / Mag 7 / Neural 9 (theme groupings)

Step-by-Step / Methodology Frameworks Explicitly Referenced

“Valuation Toolbox” (Not for Timing)

Use multiple valuation measures, including:

  • Forward P/E
  • Trailing P/E
  • Schiller CAPE
  • Tobin’s Q
  • Fed model
  • Equity risk premiums
  • Buffett model
  • Rule of 20
  • (and related metrics as listed)

Interpretation:

  • Valuation informs sentiment, not 1-year performance timing.

Factor Overlay on Top of Sector Positioning

Process:

  1. Start with sector bias (cyclical preference / valuation tilt)
  2. Apply factor screens for:
    • growth, stability, earnings, value, balance sheet
  3. Use factor results to decide which names within sectors should outperform/underperform due to dispersion

Presenters / Sources (As Named)

  • Wilfred Frost (Host)
  • Lizanne (Lisanne) Sonders — Chief Investment Strategist, Charles Schwab

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