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DeepSeek R1 32B vs M4 Mac Mini Pro 24GB
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Key takeaways
Product reviewed
- DeepSeek R1 (32B) run locally on a Mac mini Pro (M4 Pro, 24GB RAM) (base model).
System / setup details mentioned
- Mac mini Pro: M4 Pro, 24GB RAM
- Pricing reference: ~£1300 UK / ~$1400 US
- DeepSeek model sizes discussed:
- 70B parameter version
- Technically ran, but very slow
- Attempt result: ~27-minute response time to a “hello”
- Model size: ~43GB download
- Practical use: limited, unless you “have all day”
- 32B parameter distilled model (used for all subsequent prompts)
- “Distilled” explanation: DeepSeek trains smaller models via reasoning from a larger system (described as training 671B parameters)
- 70B parameter version
Test method & prompts
- Ran DeepSeek R1 32B using Terminal
- Monitored performance with:
- Activity Monitor (memory usage graph)
- GPU usage (described as being “heavily hammered”)
- Verbose mode enabled to capture timing/metrics
- Three prompt examples:
- A complex question aimed at “making it simple”
- A coding example / prompt example generation
- Requesting lyrics for The Beatles – “A Hard Day’s Night” (specific, well-known pop song)
Key results (timings)
- Prompt 1: ~1 minute 40 seconds
- Completion described as reasonable
- Prompt 2: ~3 minutes 56 seconds
- Behavior:
- Used all physical memory
- Reached “Amber” (but not “Red” for any significant time)
- GPU was heavily hammered in chunks
- Conclusion: 32B appears near the comfortable “top end/sweet spot” for this Mac mini M4 Pro (24GB)
- Behavior:
- Prompt 3: ~3 minutes 25 seconds
- Issue: model hallucinated and produced incorrect lyrics
- It did not provide “A Hard Day’s Night”; instead responded with something like “a day in the life” (“gobble deg… nonsense”)
Main features / takeaways about the product experience
- Usable locally with 32B on the M4 Pro / 24GB Mac mini
- Performance sweet spot: the reviewer implies 32B is “there or thereabouts” for what the machine can comfortably handle
- Memory pressure is real:
- Full RAM usage during longer tasks
- Stress increases over time, reaching Amber but not sustained Red
- No internet search in this setup
- Likely contributes to hallucinations when asked for exact song lyrics
Pros (as implied by the review)
- Good enough responsiveness for practical use at 32B
- ~1:40 for the complex simplification question
- Runs stably without sustained critical memory throttling
- Hits Amber, but avoids Red for long periods
- Coding-related behavior
- Reviewer notes smaller DeepSeek models tend to produce code examples when prompted; the 32B run was expected to show similar behavior (and was interesting to compare)
Cons (as implied by the review)
- 70B is impractical on this hardware
- ~27 minutes even for “hello”
- Large download (~43GB) and poor time-to-answer
- Lyrics task reliability is poor
- Hallucinations and wrong song selection
- Likely worsened by no browsing/search capability
Comparisons made
- DeepSeek 70B vs 32B on the same Mac mini
- 70B: works but massively slower (~27 minutes) → not practical
- 32B: reasonable performance (minutes) with manageable stability → practical sweet spot
- Smaller variants vs 32B (coding prompt behavior)
- Smaller models (mentioned: 1.5B and 7B) “struggle” generating prompt examples and tend to output code examples instead
- The 32B test was intended to check if this improves
- Within-setup constraint
- Even if the model may know lyrics exist in training data, it still struggles to be correct without external verification (since it can’t search the internet)
Overall recommendation / verdict
- Recommended for local experimentation and general reasoning/coding prompts at 32B on a Mac mini M4 Pro 24GB
- Not recommended to run DeepSeek 70B on this machine due to:
- Extreme latency (~27 minutes)
- Very large download
- Not reliable for exact copyrighted lyric reproduction in this setup; expect hallucinations, especially since it can’t search online
Unique points mentioned (consolidated list)
- Mac mini Pro (M4 Pro 24GB) used for local DeepSeek R1 testing
- 70B model:
- ~27-minute response to “hello”
- ~43GB download
- Technically runs, but impractical
- 32B distilled model selected as the practical choice
- Distillation described as training smaller models from larger reasoning capacity (reviewer mentions 671B parameters)
- Three prompt types tested: complex simplification, coding/examples, and Beatles lyrics
- Timing results: 1:40, 3:56, 3:25
- Performance/stability:
- Memory reached Amber and used all RAM, but avoided sustained Red
- GPU heavily used during portions of the runs
- 32B found near the sweet spot/top end for this hardware
- Lyrics task:
- Model hallucinated
- Returned content inconsistent with requested song (A Hard Day’s Night), leaning toward “a day in the life”
- Lack of internet access limits correctness
Speakers / voices
- Single speaker (no separate contributors indicated in the subtitles).
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