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These Leaks Are Basically WoW 2

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The video argues that Blizzard’s next “WoW Classic”-style project is likely real and could be far bigger than “Classic Plus”—potentially even resembling “WoW 2” in scope—based on a growing cluster of leaks.

Core Claim: “Camelot” Is a Real Project

The project is repeatedly referred to by the codename Camelot. The creator presents two main “proof points”:

  1. A leaked Warcraft roadmap surfaced in summer 2025 on Reddit

    • Purportedly via a fired partner
    • Allegedly listed future Warcraft projects, including RPG/TV/RTS and also Camelot

  2. A veteran data miner (Stiven) reportedly found Heroic/Epic store licenses or references for “Camelot” inside Blizzard-related files

    • Treated as confirmation the project exists

The speaker also emphasizes heavy spoiler warnings, suggesting the video may align with what’s revealed at BlizzCon.

What Camelot Might Be: Classic Identity + Modern Tech + Alternate Timeline

The video synthesizes multiple leak threads into a single portrait:

  • Not necessarily “classic” or an “Outland remaster”
    • Instead, Camelot may occur in a different timeline

Suggested timeline options (from different sources)

  1. Just before Warcraft III
  2. During the First War / early conflicts
    • Roughly around the time of the Old Horde’s invasion

“Classic” gameplay identity (as claimed)

The core gameplay feel is described as staying “Classic-like,” including:

  • combat style
  • leveling
  • talent trees
  • overall “vibe”

Retail-quality presentation may be optional

Claims suggest:

  • the game uses retail assets
  • but includes an option to toggle “classic” graphics
  • this could explain why data-mined character assets (e.g., “Skyborn” elves) appear high-poly

A major environment clue: Dalaran on the ground

  • Dalaran is said to be on the ground and heavily featured, specifically in Hillsbrad
  • That implies the era is likely before Dalaran is destroyed during the Warcraft III undead campaign

“Skyborn” Elves and Retail-vs-Classic Asset Mixing

The video references the “Skyborn” elf controversy as supporting evidence for the Camelot direction:

  • datamined hints suggest these new elves exist as assets
  • some models may not fit classic expectations
  • again, the video attributes this mismatch to the idea that Camelot might use retail assets with classic toggles

Major Gameplay/Feature Rumors

The speaker highlights additional leaked feature claims:

  • Launch with 10 zones
  • No Kalimdor on the world map initially
    • framed as plausible due to Warcraft RTS-era constraints
    • and because the setting may be pre-Kalimdor discovery
  • Guild housing and guild warships
    • presented as less surprising given Warcraft’s RTS history and Blizzard’s earlier movement/vehicle systems
  • A third faction is rumored
    • justified by referencing Dark Age of Camelot, which uses a three-faction structure and influenced early WoW thinking (including Jeff Kaplan)
    • the video argues this makes the third-faction idea less “crazy” than it first sounds

Timeline Deep-Dive: Third War vs First War (Why Dalaran Matters)

A large portion of the video evaluates which era better fits:

  • the Dalaran clue
  • and broader lore logic

Option 1: Set just before the Third War

The video retells key Third War prelude events, including:

  • the Old Horde has fallen; orcs are held in Alliance internment camps
  • Thrall escapes and finds the Frostwolf Clan in the Alterac Mountains
  • Doomhammer appears; Thrall is named Warchief, beginning the Horde foundation seen in modern WoW

It also argues that the capitals/starting areas fit well:

  • Horde story could be centered in Alterac (before Kalimdor)
  • later Horde groups (Darkspear, Tauren, Forsaken) are harder to integrate because their key lore beats link to events after Kalimdor discovery and/or after Arthas/Scourge developments

On the Alliance side, the assessment includes:

  • Lordaeron as central under Terenas
  • Dalaran hasn’t yet “left” into the sky
  • Stormwind is rebuilding and not a major early focus
  • multiple Lordaeron kingdoms as potential zone content (e.g., Gilneas, Alterac, Kul Tiras, Stromgarde)

Option 2: Set during the First War

First War content is described as including iconic Warcraft 1 characters and conflicts:

  • Stormwind is invaded; Orcs win; then they march north
  • mentions Gul’dan, Anduin Lothar, Garona, Medivh, Khadgar, and the Shadow Council

However, the speaker claims the First War leaks are harder to reconcile because:

  • Dalaran being up north and central doesn’t fit cleanly with First War geography/action
  • leakers may be misplacing lore, or assuming that “Dalaran on the ground” automatically implies First War timing

A “Wild but Possible” Alternative: Bronze Dragonflight Time Revision

The video entertains another possibility if the timeline is “wrong”:

  • the Bronze Dragonflight could be driving the experience
    • essentially revisiting history rather than creating a new timeline

This could enable a “Classic Plus” model by:

  • “stitching” or expanding missing land/areas
  • building out classic-era spaces
  • rather than forcing a forward-expansion approach

The creator also argues Blizzard tends to expand forward into new settings, but time revision could avoid that limitation.

Final Verdict: Likely Real, Probably Pre–Warcraft III

The speaker concludes:

  • the leaks appear to stack up across roadmap + datamining + multiple independent creator leak streams
  • “credible real stuff” exists in rumor networks
  • later leaks may be derived from the same initial source
  • Camelot is happening, though the exact era is uncertain

Best guess: before the Third War, because:

  • Dalaran is still on the ground
  • Thrall is building the Horde in Alterac
  • Lordaeron is still in its last “good years”

The creator argues this preserves the Warcraft III stories fans love while still allowing room for a longer “Classic Plus” evolution.

Presenters / Contributors

  • Presenter/author of the video: (name not provided in the subtitles)
  • Referenced individuals:
    • Stiven (veteran data miner)
    • Jeff Kaplan (early WoW developer, referenced)
    • Ion Hazzikostas (referenced regarding expansion design constraints)
    • Jez Corden (Windows Central writer, referenced)
    • Chris Metzen (referenced for Warcraft 2 lore work)
    • Relic (referenced regarding an RTS rumor)
    • Boot.dev / Boot’s tutor “Boots” (sponsor; referenced)
  • In-universe reference:
    • Bronze Dragonflight

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