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Why Great CROs Stop Managing Numbers and Start Building Systems with Sam Costello
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Business strategy & role shift (number-carrying → revenue-system ownership)
- Sam Costello’s perspective changed when moving from prior sales leadership roles to CRO: revenue becomes an output of building an “execution machine” rather than primarily driving pipeline/targets directly.
- At Harness, go-to-market “machine” priorities are:
- Recruiting elite talent
- Developing/enabling teams
- Running a crisp, qualified sales process (“in command and control”)
- Forecasting with confidence to grow toward an IPO
Company background (Harness)
- Harness positioning: “AI for everything after code”—how software artifacts reach production safely, securely, reliably, in a governed/deterministic way.
- Growth/tenure claims:
- Joined at Series A in 2019 as the first sales leader under CRO Jason Eubanks
- Helped grow from < $1M ARR to $100M ARR in 5 years
- Continued moving through senior sales leadership seats to become CRO
CRO operating rhythm (where time goes)
Sam estimates time allocation as CRO:
- ~40% recruiting (business needs heads fast; high standards for “excellence”)
- ~20% customer-facing selling
- Remaining time focused on enablement and execution governance:
- boot camps / enablement
- metric reviews (“medic reviews”)
- ensuring the sales process is followed and performing
Enablement framework: centralized + regional training
- Training buckets:
- Corporate/company-wide enablement for new products & industry updates
- Regional enablement led by “second lines” (called Chief Enablement Officers) who customize training to the needs of their region/team (different needs for ramping reps vs senior reps)
- Process expectation:
- Second lines build or source content based on local pulse, often via internal SMEs or outside speakers.
Sales playbook: Harness “Duplo” process (champions first)
- Core framework: Duplo sales process
- “Find a champion and then do everything else.”
- Required sequencing:
- Identify/build champion(s)
- Confirm there’s real pain the company cares about
- Reach the economic buyer (EB)
- Build confidence through business case + proof
“Big deal” ingredient trap (pricing-scale follows confidence, not pitch)
- Warning against a common failure mode:
- Sellers get excited about pain + champion, then pitch toward a large transaction prematurely.
- Instead, a large deal emerges when:
- pain is important to the organization,
- champion(s) build confidence,
- EB is engaged, and
- customer pulls you into scaling via confidence.
Champion sizing mismatch (when deal size changes, champion must evolve)
- Another failure mode:
- Champion created for a smaller initial deal (e.g., $500k) but reps attempt to scale into a much larger deal (e.g., $5M) without re-qualifying/upgrading the champion.
- Result:
- stuck in late-stage decision criteria, papering, and governance because the right influence isn’t present.
Technical validation & Proof of Value (POV) system
- Harness sells a highly technical platform consisting of ~14 products, requiring multi-stakeholder validation.
Typical POV structure (multi-threaded buying)
Deals often need 2–3 champions / technical mindshare across:
- platform tooling team
- developer engineering consuming team
- security team with governance/policy requirements
POV format evolution
- Early stage:
- POVs often required installing into customer environment
- Mature stage:
- now ~30–40% is workshop-style (not installed)
- ~60% includes installation to prove it works in their environment
POV governance / qualification thresholds
- Buyers require outcomes they can trust in their environment.
- Harness enforces strict POV criteria:
- champion exists (ideally multiple) + mindshare coverage
- POV criteria are defined and highly differentiated
- POV success criteria align with the EB
- SE leader signs off globally
- CRO signs off on POVs
Go/no-go process for POVs
- POVs run only when internal qualification gates are met.
- Emotional “deal-close” proximity is treated as a risk—leaders must maintain radical commitment to the process or escalate deviations (to Carlos/Sam), rather than passing them to pipeline.
Deal economics: POVs are not charged
- Harness does not charge for POVs (funded “out of pocket”) as long as they fit the process.
Land-and-expand execution (mechanics of “land”)
- Harness supports land → delight → expand:
- Land where it makes sense
- Ensure success
- Expand into the right transaction
- POV is positioned as the qualification mechanism that helps justify expansion by:
- verified technical fit
- business-case alignment
- multi-threaded mindshare across stakeholders
Linking technical proof to business outcomes (business-case discipline)
- Sam emphasizes a key transformation:
- Many sellers achieve technical awareness but fail to connect to business outcomes, blocking EB engagement.
- Their method:
- Create a business case first (may be early/incomplete, but “strong man business case”)
- Tie POV planned proof points to that business case with metrics:
- “the capabilities we prove in the POV tie back to the value hypothesis”
- Ensure the economic buyer is seen before POV:
- confirm they care about the problem
- confirm decision criteria
- confirm if direction changes, EB will be re-engaged
Champion deposits → give/get dynamic
- Trust is built in stages:
- Early: education/awareness to build trust (“champion deposits”)
- Later: move to give/get
- champion receives needed proof/learning
- seller receives qualification signals
MEDDIC / qualification as a system (not a checklist)
- Sam strongly supports MEDDIC when used properly:
- It’s a deal qualification weapon to uncover gaps and next steps
- Leaders measure it by rep outcomes:
- if rep isn’t leaving MEDDIC review excited, something is wrong
- Key behavior rules:
- MEDDIC reviews should feel like gap-hunting (assume missing info)
- If reviews become “compliance-only,” reps lose:
- knowledge capture
- mindshare in the account
- confidence in the process when deals don’t win
Mandatory truth: “story of the opportunity” > individual checkbox
- Sam rejects: “most important component of MEDDIC?”
- He frames MEDDIC as triangulation:
- pain → EB → competition → differentiated criteria → how the story connects
Current buying-process complexity (AI governance, committees, addenda)
- Operational challenge in enterprise deals:
- new steps like AI committees
- adding AI addenda to MSAs late
- Example:
- deal delayed due to missing AI addendum, forcing legal review with only ~2 weeks left in a quarter
Their operational response
- Increased triangulation and “ecosystem listening”:
- consult other (non-competing) software providers to learn what’s changing in that buying process
- Emphasis:
- assumptions must be tested frequently because buying priorities shift quickly.
Example: priority shift from external event (sales timing risk)
- Example discussed:
- a large financial institution faced an unexpected $60M data center cost overrun
- hardware providers covered spend, but no software budget existed at that moment
- Shift occurred in ~10 days, illustrating the need for fast qualification updates and fresh EB intelligence.
Recruiting playbook (coachability + environment design)
- Harness recruiting bias emphasizes coachability and team learning culture.
- Evidence-based hiring questions/methods:
- Review trajectory “bottom-up” on resume/LinkedIn (predictive of coachability)
- Ask: “favorite thing about a leader you worked with” (signals whether candidates value education/development)
- Ask about books/podcasts, feedback recency, handling of feedback
- Ask: “deal you’re most proud of” and require them to walk through how they qualified it
- Ask: “deal you lost and what you learned”
- Require evidence they understand and can apply MEDDIC in real deals (not just “we took training”)
Leadership/organizational tactics
- Radical candor culture: openly talk what’s going well, what’s not
- Deal review follow-through:
- after a MEDDIC review, leaders ensure reps leave with at least one specific action item owned by the right person (not “all work on the AE alone”)
- Interviewing technique:
- separate “story vs facts,” interrupt prepared narratives, direct dialogue to find decision evidence
- Talent war value proposition:
- compensation matters, but Sam stresses differentiators:
- durable company-building
- elite GTM team development
- leadership development / career growth
- culture (e.g., radical candor, learning, respect)
- compensation matters, but Sam stresses differentiators:
Concrete actionable recommendations (implied by the talk)
- POV process
- Run POV only with champion + mindshare coverage across technical governance areas
- Require SE leader sign-off and CRO sign-off
- Make POV success measurable and tied to a business-case hypothesis
- EB alignment
- Get EB alignment before running POV (problem relevance + decision criteria)
- Champion management
- Reassess champion suitability when deal size increases (upgrade champion if scaling)
- Build trust via “deposits” before heavy quantification asks
- MEDDIC
- Run it as gap-and-next-step hunt, not a checklist
- Use it to generate excitement and a clear road map
- Discovery
- Quantify pain by extracting the metrics the customer actually uses; ensure pain is real/top-50 relevant
- If pain can’t be quantified, likely issue is lack of trust with the “champion”
- Buying-process monitoring
- Stay current with AI-related procurement steps (committees, addenda)
- Use triangulation with other software providers to learn what’s changing earlier than competitors
Key metrics / KPIs explicitly mentioned
- Growth metric:
- ARR: < $1M → $100M in 5 years
- Operational time metric:
- ~40% recruiting
- ~20% customer-facing selling
- POV mix:
- ~30–40% workshop-style POVs
- ~60% install-in-customer-environment POVs
- Technical/platform scale:
- platform consists of ~14 products
- Timing/deal disruption examples:
- missing AI addendum creates delay risk, especially with only ~2 weeks left in quarter
- external disruption example: customer had $60M data center cost overrun (budget shift impacting software projects)
Presenters / sources
- Sam Costello — Chief Revenue Officer, Harness
- John McMahon — Host, Revenue Builders Podcast; Force Management co-founder (as referenced in intro)
- John Kaplan — Co-host / Force Management co-founder (as referenced in intro)
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