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토큰화 시장 350억 달러 성장…실제 자금은 누가 사고 있나 | 김동환, 조동현 언디파인드랩스 대표 [크립토 PLUS]

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Key takeaways

Finance

Finance-focused summary (RWA / tokenization market)

Crypto volatility context

  • Bitcoin has recently been moving within roughly ~2% range.
  • Ethereum is described as “more solid,” but still less volatile than stocks.
  • Overall, conditions are framed as stagnant for both Bitcoin and DeFi.

RWA (Real-World Assets) / tokenization expectations vs reality

  • Tokenization demand was expected to accelerate entering 2025, with early focus on:
    • On-chain US bonds
    • Securities held by financial institutions
    • Income certificates from private credit funds
  • The narrative reportedly shifted toward tokenized stocks, increasing attention.
  • However, the guest argues that RWA growth hasn’t matched the hype—specifically, it is not seeing expected retail-led expansion.

Size / growth claim

  • RWA is said to have grown from $0 to ~$35B in ~3 years.
  • Despite the scale, the guest emphasizes “no Wall Street money” in the way media portrayed:
    • Growth is described as coming largely from crypto-native / crypto-circular flows
    • Rather than broad institutional adoption.

Who is buying on-chain RWA? (on-chain evidence)

Source and tracking method

  • On-chain analysis sourced from Arrakis Finance
  • The tracking approach:
    • Monitors 71,000+ wallet addresses
    • Uses multi-layer attribution (described as “reliable”)
  • Reported results:
    • $91B+ purchase volume confirmed from the tracked wallet addresses

Buyer composition (high-level)

  • DAO/project foundations (examples referenced: “Sky” and older DeFi projects holding stablecoins) account for about ~66% of the scale.
  • Crypto funds / venture capital managing crypto capital are another major segment.
  • The “Wall Street institutional retail narrative” is contrasted against these observed buyer types.

Retail vs whale capital concentration

  • Retail participation
    • Example cited: Ethena’s stablecoin
    • Retail-held volume around ~10% (as of June of this year)
  • Capital concentration
    • Guest states ~4% of wallets control ~93% of the capital (whales dominate capital even if retail counts are higher)
    • Retail share is estimated as small (possibly ~10% at most, per the guest’s view)

Regional demand

  • Southeast Asia is described as the hottest retail-adjacent region for RWA.
  • Reasons given:
    • Retail demand is rising because traditional institutions aren’t offering equivalent access
    • Retail converts fiat into stablecoins like USDT and enters via RWA
  • Platform example:
    • Flom is mentioned as working in Korea, but the guest reports the team told them most investors are from Southeast Asia.

Investment behavior patterns (how capital moves)

  • Secondary trading is not the main behavior
    • Most subscriptions appear to happen in the primary market (subscriptions with issuers).
    • The guest concludes secondary trading on exchanges/DEXs is minimal, so it “isn’t effectively trading” in the way many expected.
  • “Buy then hold” behavior
    • Holders tend to hold for ~30–40% of the year.
  • Use case framed as parking stablecoins
    • RWA is described as a cash-management outlet for institutions holding idle stablecoins (stablecoin income distribution concept).

Stablecoins and settlement (USDT vs USDC)

Stablecoins used

  • Primary stablecoins discussed: USDT and USDC

Transaction mix

  • The guest states ~80% of transactions use USDC
  • Remaining ~20% involves USDT

Rationale

  • Many US-based issuers prefer USDC
  • Noted exception:
    • Maple Finance used USDT for an experimental USDT variant
    • In practice, the guest says it effectively becomes mostly USDC (~near 100% of payment received) (“ProUSDC” framing)

Product types and return targets (risk/return framing)

Example return targets

  • Crypto credit fund (example cited: “Apollo” / “Tradeify Credit”)
    • Target return is cited around ~7%
    • The guest contrasts this with retail dissatisfaction unless returns exceed “conservative” expectations.

Interest-rate distribution logic (Ethena economics)

  • Ethena stablecoin holder economics as described:
    • Holder distribution share dropped to around ~3%
    • ~97% is routed to lower/mid/high return products:
      • 3–4% returns to “safe stablecoin” holders (as described)
      • ~7% to higher-risk holders

DeFi vs RWA “stability” argument

  • The guest claims DeFi is mostly loans and deposits, but RWA is slightly more stable.
  • Even if RWA rates can be lower than some DeFi, it’s described as a “loophole” for large sums, functioning more like reliable cash management.

Why retail and crypto-native buyers may not accelerate RWA demand

  • Retail preferences
    • If target return is around ~7%, conservative users may like it
    • But crypto-native users often demand higher returns, limiting broader retail attention
  • Credit/trust constraint
    • Larger subscriptions occur when investors trust the asset manager / fund manager
    • The guest argues “crypto-native RWAs” are less trusted, while traditional global asset managers draw more capital

Institutional geography and regulation tailwinds

Buyers outside the U.S.

  • The guest states ~82% of buyers are outside the United States.

Europe

  • Mayboon (venture firm) is mentioned as investing actively in RWA.
  • Reasons:
    • European funds face low government bond yields, pushing interest toward higher crypto-linked opportunities
    • MiCA (EU regulation) being in effect for some time provides clearer rules that support institutional participation.

Key “hype vs mechanism” conclusions

  • “Ethereum will benefit” / gas fee reduction narrative challenged
    • The guest says the logic that more RWA trading would increase Ethereum usage/gas is not supported by observed market mechanics.
    • The market is described as not creating meaningful on-chain activity because:
      • It is mostly primary-market subscriptions
      • Secondary trading is limited
  • RWA “effect” depends on leverage/looping
    • Growth could expand if leverage is introduced via collateralized stablecoin borrowing and reinvestment
    • “Looping” mechanics described (Windmill spinning in Korea):
      • Borrow stablecoins against RWAs
      • Reinvest as collateral for another loan
    • However, leverage is currently described as not happening much, so near-term impact may not materialize
  • Regulation note
    • Looping is described as tightly regulated
    • The guest suggests rules may be temporarily circumvented, potentially boosting usage, but likely with constrained outcomes.

Notable tickers / assets / instruments mentioned

Crypto assets

  • Bitcoin
  • Ethereum

Stablecoins

  • USDT
  • USDC
  • Ethena stablecoin (referenced as Ethena)

Companies / products / entities

  • BlackRock (Beadle Fund mentioned)
  • Maple Finance
  • Apollo (crypto credit fund / venture capital managing funds referenced)
  • Ethena
  • Sky (older DeFi project mentioned)
  • Mayboon (venture capital firm)

Tokenized equities mentioned as examples

  • Samsung
  • Hynix (also “Hynix ADRs”)
  • Micron
  • SanDisk

Institutional bond / credit context (general)

  • U.S. bonds (general)
  • Private credit income certificates (general)

Regulatory reference

  • MiCA (EU crypto regulation)

Methodology / framework elements explicitly mentioned

  • On-chain attribution workflow (Arrakis Finance)
    • Track 71,000+ wallet addresses
    • Use multi-layer linkage from those wallets
    • Infer buyer behavior/allocation into RWA products
  • Market structure analysis
    • Compare primary-market subscriptions vs secondary-market trading
    • Assess settlement rails via USDT vs USDC
  • Leverage readiness framework
    • RWA growth thesis conditioned on adding leverage/looping
    • “Looping” described as collateral → borrow stablecoins → redeploy collateral

Key numbers / timelines called out

  • Bitcoin volatility: ~2% range
  • RWA growth: $0 → ~$35B in ~3 years
  • On-chain purchase volume tracked: $91B+
  • Wallet tracking: 71,000+ wallets
  • Retail as of June (Ethena retail-held volume): ~10%
  • Whale dominance: ~4% of wallets = ~93% of capital
  • Stablecoin transaction mix: USDC ~80%, USDT ~20%
  • Holding behavior: ~30–40% of the year
  • Ethena distribution split (as described):
    • ~3% to stablecoin holders
    • ~97% routed to return-bearing products
  • Buyer geography: ~82% outside the U.S.
  • U.S. investment ratio: ~18% (implied by the guest’s statement)

Recommendations / cautions (explicit or implied)

  • Avoid relying on the narrative that RWA will drive Ethereum activity/gas demand—the guest says current data contradicts it.
  • Expectation management:
    • Crypto infra layers may see less positive impact than hoped because RWA is behaving more like subscription/cash-management than ongoing secondary trading.
  • Upside scenario depends on future leverage/looping:
    • Since leverage is “not yet included,” near-term growth may be constrained.

Disclaimers

  • No explicit “not financial advice” disclaimer appears in the provided subtitles.

Presenters / sources mentioned

  • Cho Dong-hyun, CEO, Undefined Labs
  • Subtitles reference data from Arrakis Finance
  • Video title credits Kim Dong-hwan and Cho Dong-hyun (interview context); only Cho is clearly speaking in the provided text
  • Entities discussed: BlackRock, Maple Finance, Apollo, Ethena, Sky, Mayboon

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