Where Did the Verse of Rajm Go in the Quran? | Bukhari 6829

Main Ideas / Concepts Conveyed

Personal Framing & Background

• The speaker, Ghalib Kamal, says he has engaged in religious dialogue for years.
• He explains that Islamiyat classes at school repeatedly led to questions.
• Those questions, in his account, pushed him toward comparative religion study.

Core Claim: The Quran’s Text Is Not Preserved (or Is Incomplete)

• Kamal argues that Muslims claim the Quran was never changed, but he claims there is evidence it has changed or is missing parts.
• He states that verses claimed to be absent from the Quran appear instead in Hadith literature, including claims about:
  • “missing verses”
  • even “half of the surahs missing” (as he reports some arguments)
• His overarching lesson: Hadith and Islamic jurisprudence cannot be replaced by the Quran alone, and the Quran therefore functions as an incomplete guide for Islamic law.

Central Topic: “Rajm” (Stoning)

Kamal presents Rajm as a punishment for adultery (zina) and argues:

• The practice was allegedly inspired by Judaism.
• The “first culprit” is framed as Talmudic/Jewish law, with Islamic law later adopting it.

He describes different variants of how Rajm is carried out:

• Commonly: killing by pelted stones.
• Some variants: the condemned person’s lower body is buried, then stones are used to kill them.
• He specifically claims the Taliban used similar methods in Afghanistan:
  • tie legs
  • blindfold
  • then stone
  • he adds that the person allegedly survived for hours (as he describes from videos he watched)

Claim About Quran vs. Hadith

Kamal asserts:

• Rajm is not ordered in the Quran (he says there is no verse mentioning stoning).
• He claims Qur’anic punishment for zina, as he frames it, involves flogging rather than Rajm.
• He uses a “logic test”:
  • If God considered Rajm necessary, the verse would not be missing from the Quran.

If Rajm Comes From Hadith, Then (In His View) Consequences Follow

He argues that if Hadith about stoning are accepted while the Quran lacks the verse, then:

• Muslims may have committed what he calls murder, not divine law.
• This would imply Islamic Sharia (as practiced) contradicts the Quran.

How Hadith Could “Survive” While Quran Was Allegedly Preserved

Kamal discusses Quran compilation history to support his argument:

• He claims there were two compilations:
  • during Abu Bakr’s time
  • later under Uthman
• He argues that during compilation:
  • there was allegedly no universally available copy
  • a compilation was allegedly kept initially with Abu Bakr, then passed to Umar, then to Hafsa
• He further claims later compilation under Uthman involved “changes” (referencing a narrative of editorial changes)
• Then he argues that since Hadith were written much later, he questions how reports about stoning retained authority.

Examples of Hadith He Cites

Kamal points to specific narrations, including:

• Bukhari Hadith 6829 (as he calls it “international numbering”)

  • Attributed to Umar (RA) warning that people might say Rajm is not in the Book of Allah.
  • He also attributes to Umar the insistence that it is obligatory for married offenders committing adultery.

• Sunan Ibn Majah Hadith 1944

  • Attributed to Aisha (RA):
    • Kamal claims a Rajm verse and another matter (about feeding an elderly person “10 times,” in his account) were allegedly revealed and written on a paper under the Prophet’s throne.
    • He adds that a goat allegedly ate the paper after the Prophet died.

He uses these examples to argue:

• either the Quran today lacking Rajm proves change, or
• the Hadith reports are false
• in either case, he claims a “major contradiction” exists.

Claim About the Nature of Islam (As Practiced)

Kamal argues that Islam, in practice, is derived from:

• Hadith
• history
• fiqh
• major schools/leaders (he mentions Sunni, Shia, Wahabi, Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahmadi)

He also claims:

• Muslims do not treat the Quran alone with enough sincerity.
• He argues Muslims prioritize Hadith.

Closing Questions / Challenge

He urges viewers to comment on:

• Whether the Rajm verse was in the Quran
• Why (in his framing) it is absent
• Whether it was removed, or whether Hadith are lying

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Methodology / Instruction-Like Elements (As Presented)

Religious-Political Argument Structure

1. Assert that Muslims claim the Quran is unchanged.
2. Argue that Rajm (stoning) is not found as a Quran command.
3. Compare with Hadith reports claiming Rajm comes from revelation.
4. Present a fork:
   • Option A: the Quran was changed or missing the Rajm verse
   • Option B: the Hadith are unreliable/lying
5. Apply a “Quran-only test”:
   • If the punishment is essential, argue God would not allow it to be absent.
6. Extend the claim:
   • Quran is “incomplete,” so Islam cannot be properly derived from it alone.
7. Conclude that long-standing Rajm practices are unjust (in his view, “murder”) and contradict divine law.

Viewer “Call to Action”

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• Comment with opinions, answering:
  • Was the Rajm verse in the Quran?
  • If yes, why removed?
  • If not, were Hadith lying?

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Speakers / Sources Featured

Speaker

• Ghalib Kamal (host/narrator)

Religious Figures Mentioned (As Sources for Claims)

• Hazrat Umar (RA) — quoted/attributed via Bukhari narration
• Hazrat Aisha (RA) — quoted/attributed via Sunan Ibn Majah narration
• Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) — referenced in Hadith context

Texts / Sources Referenced

• Quran
• Hadith collections:
  • Sahih Bukhari — Hadith no. 6829 (as stated)
  • Sunan Ibn Majah — Hadith no. 1944 (as stated)
• Islamic jurisprudence / scholarship terms (referenced generally): Sharia, fiqh, fuqa
• Islamic sects/schools mentioned: Shia, Sunni, Wahabi, Barelvi, Deobandi, Ahmadi
• Jewish tradition referenced (as claimed origin/inspiration): Judaism / Jewish law