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I'm changing investment strategy! This how I aim to hang on to profits if stocks rise or fall.
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Key takeaways
Finance-focused summary (structured “heads you win, tails you win” investing)
Presenter
- Clive Thompson
Macro / market context driving the shift
- Thompson believes parts of the market are “a bit overvalued / frothy”, referencing Alan Greenspan’s 1996 “excessive exuberance.”
- He is not predicting a crash, but is preparing for either direction.
- He targets sectors he views as most expensive:
- AI stocks
- Chip makers
- Silicon / board manufacturers
- “Anything to do with data”
Explicit framework / methodology for selling (portfolio de-risking)
He describes filtering first, then deciding case-by-case how much to trim.
- Identify weakest / least healthy companies
- Uses Simply Wall St
- Exports results to Excel
- Identify lowest growth prospects
- Another list exported to Excel
- Identify companies with poor dividend characteristics
- Uses Simply Wall St’s “low dividend score” as a proxy for unreliable / low / non-existent dividends
- Frames these as possible candidates for sale (not automatic)
- Identify positions with very large unrealized gains / oversized exposure
- Notes some holdings are up ~20x or more vs purchase price
- Suggests “top slicing” rather than exiting fully
- Case-by-case review using Simply Wall St “snowflake”
- Assesses quickly:
- growth / future prospects
- past track record
- business health
- dividend score
- value score (cheapness vs sector peers)
- Assesses quickly:
- Prefer partial trims
- If a position is in loss, he says he avoids fully exiting
- Instead, he sells part of each position to maintain a portfolio that still “looks good”
Strategy after trimming: “structured products” to profit up or down
He suggests raising cash and redeploying mostly into structured/customized investments, especially:
- Capital-protected and low-strike reverse convertibles
- Availability varies by country; often accessed via banks/brokers
Key concept: capital protection vs risk
Capital guaranteed / capital protected
- 100% of principal is guaranteed only at maturity
- Depends on the issuer’s counterparty risk
- Not guaranteed if you exit early
- Typically offers:
- higher fixed/conditional coupon (example: 7%) if an index ends higher than today
- otherwise you get back principal only
- He stresses the guarantee is only as strong as the issuing bank/broker and is maturity-based
Product types mentioned (key mechanics and numbers)
1) Capital protected (100% protected) linked to index/performance
Example structure described:
- Pays 7% if the stock market/index is higher after 1–2 years
- If lower: principal returned, no upside
Alternative described:
- 100% of any increase up to a cap
- Example cap: 10% over a year
-
If the market drops: capital back, no loss
-
Personal stance: he says he’s not interested in these fully protected products because he’s willing to take risk.
2) Partially protected (e.g., “95% protected”)
- Worst case: receive 90% or 95% of principal → capital loss possible
- Best case: more upside participation
Typical mechanics mentioned:
- May include an upfront fee (example ~1%; sometimes embedded in price)
- Upside often capped
Illustrative payoff math he gave for a 95% protected product:
- Underlying rises 10%: payout described as 95 + 10 = 105
- Underlying rises 20%: payout described as 95 + 20 = 115
- He interprets this as effectively “missing” 5% of the underlying move due to the protection structure
3) Barrier reverse convertibles (he says he “doesn’t like” these)
Example described:
- 14% interest if none of the linked stocks fall below a barrier
- Example barrier level: 53% of initial price
- If any stock breaches:
- investor may be forced to buy the worst performer at 100% of initial price
- he explains this as buying at the note/strike reference even if the market price has fallen
Contrast he makes:
- Holding the stocks directly vs holding the note
- If stocks fall, the barrier condition can still cause significant loss, even after coupons
4) Low strike reverse convertibles (LRC) (the one he says he likes)
- Not capital guaranteed
Example structure (illustrative, includes concrete parameters):
- Issued at 100
- High coupon: ~7%–8%, paid quarterly in his example
- Underlyings: one, two, or three stocks, or an index
- He focuses on three well-known stocks (examples given, but not a complete list)
- Low strike: 60% of initial price
- Term example: 18 months
- Also mentions examples of 1 year, 1.5 years, 2 years
Coupon logic:
- He says the investor earns the coupon regardless of what happens (as written in the product)
- Example: 8% per year
Maturity outcome logic:
- If all underlyings are above the strike at the last fixing date:
- investor receives 100 principal (plus accrued coupons from the coupon stream)
- If the worst performer is below strike at maturity:
- investor is forced to buy the worst performer at the strike reference
- Example: buy at the 60% level
- He emphasizes this can be economically like a lower “entry price,” because you paid less than 100 in the secondary market
Secondary market buying (where his “win-win” depends)
- He claims that in Switzerland there are two-way quotes
- Secondary market pricing varies with underlying performance, sometimes trading below 100
- If buying at 80 (instead of 100):
- coupon yield is larger as a percentage of what you paid
- he describes additional effective upside if the strike is not breached
Sample upside calculation he described:
- If bought at 80, with strike mechanics around 50/60-type and assuming no breach:
- Potential total upside roughly:
- ~25% upside on the “80 price” positioning
- plus coupons (example over ~2 years: ~16%)
- Total roughly ~35%–41% over two years (illustrative maximum), assuming no breach
- Potential total upside roughly:
Worst-case example he provides
- If an underlying goes to zero, investor could be forced to buy at the strike reference, but the asset would be worthless
- → capital can be lost
His conclusion for “low strike” worst-case with an 8% coupon over 2 years:
- Worst case: he states you may lose a large portion of capital
- Example claim: ~84% loss in his scenario after earning 16% coupons
- But you may still keep the earned coupons/premium
Performance expectations / key numbers he claims
He runs calculations (mentioning ChatGPT / “Manis AI effect”) for his collection of products.
- If the stock market rises +20%: expected return “around 30-something%” (including coupons)
- If the stock market falls -20%: expected still positive return ~13%
- Assumes stocks behave in line with the market
Rationale he gives:
- buying structured products on the secondary market below 100
- earning coupons
Risk management / cautions explicitly stated
- Counterparty risk is crucial for capital-guaranteed/protected products
- Depends on whether the issuer survives to maturity
- Protection is only at maturity
- Early exit may lead to losses
- Structured products can be non-tradable in some jurisdictions
- He claims Swiss examples are often tradable on the secondary market
- Not investment advice
- He repeatedly frames it as such
- He warns not to rely on his mention of specific stocks
- Emphasizes due diligence and suggests speaking to a financial advisor/banker
- Products may include:
- caps on maximum gain
- early redemption clauses
- issuer may redeem at par (100) early
- you stop receiving future coupons and may need a new note at new (often higher) prices
- He suggests these may not be suitable for retail investors
- He says retail may not be allowed to buy in Switzerland
Assets / instruments / tickers mentioned
Underlying equity references (examples; not complete list)
- Microsoft
- Amazon
- A third tech/blue-chip American company (unnamed)
- Mentions technology stocks generally
- Mentions blue chip pharmaceutical stocks as an example hypothetical basket (unnamed)
Market / index references
- S&P 500
- Dow Jones
- FTSE 100
- CAC 40 (described as “CAT current” / France index)
- SMI (Swiss market index)
Structured product categories
- Capital guaranteed / capital protected notes
- 95% protected / 90% protected variants
- Barrier reverse convertible
- Low strike reverse convertible (LRC)
Instruments terms
- “Secondary market quotes”
- “Two-way quotes” (Switzerland)
- “Secondary market below 100”
Disclosures / disclaimers
- States “Nothing is investment advice.”
- Advises readers to do their own due diligence
- Advises consultation with a financial advisor / banker / investment advisor
- Notes he may have “great tips” and “terrible tips,” and that mention of a stock isn’t a recommendation
Presenters / sources
- Clive Thompson (main speaker)
- Simply Wall St (filtering and metrics)
- ChatGPT (referenced as part of his calculation workflow, per his statement)
- Alan Greenspan (historical reference to “excessive exuberance,” 1996)
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