Elites KILLED People For Revealing These Ancient Secrets

Overview

In this interview, host Andrew Gold questions author Mark Booth, also known as Jonathan Black, about Freemasonry, occult traditions, modern science, consciousness, and artificial intelligence. Much of the discussion reflects Booth’s interpretations and speculation rather than established historical or scientific conclusions.

Main Topics

Freemasonry and Occult Traditions

Booth argues that modern Freemasonry is linked to occult traditions and the Enlightenment-era Royal Society, while suggesting that its deeper roots may reach back to ancient “mystery schools.” He describes initiation rites involving secrecy, ordeals, and altered states of consciousness, which he says were intended to transform initiates.

He also recounts a theory that two Egyptian obelisks—London’s Cleopatra’s Needle and its counterpart in New York—were installed at an astrologically significant time. These claims are presented as Booth’s account and are not independently verified in the interview.

Secrecy, Power, and Benevolence

Booth says Freemasonry is benevolent at its core, while acknowledging that individuals and offshoot groups can exploit secrecy for money, influence, or other personal aims. He suggests that esoteric practices could give people influence over others.

Gold presses him on the danger of powerful people pursuing utopian goals. Booth responds that even well-intentioned efforts can cause great harm.

Manipulation Today

Booth says the most immediate influence on ordinary people may come less from secret societies than from smartphones and algorithms, which can shape behaviour without users recognizing it. The discussion also touches on public suspicion of powerful technology leaders and foreign influence, but Booth maintains that Freemasonry’s stated ideals are broadly charitable and democratic.

Occultism and Science

Booth claims that some prominent scientists, including figures associated with quantum physics, were interested in mysticism or occultism. He connects alchemy’s combination of experimentation and spiritual practice with scientists’ interest in observation and the quantum world.

The conversation also discusses atoms, electromagnetic forces, and the limits of human perception. Gold is intrigued by possible connections, but the interview sometimes moves from accepted scientific ideas to broader, speculative spiritual interpretations without clearly distinguishing between them.

War and Unintended Consequences

Booth compares Aleister Crowley’s alleged magical efforts against Hitler with the work of physicists developing the atomic bomb. He portrays the bomb as an attempt to prevent a worse outcome that nevertheless led to Hiroshima, illustrating his view that benevolent intentions can have devastating consequences. The conversation briefly reflects on Hiroshima and Japan’s wartime history.

Simulation, Death, and Consciousness

The pair consider whether reality could be a simulation and whether consciousness or information might persist after bodily death. Booth suggests that information may be fundamental to the universe and that traces of a person could remain after death, while emphasizing that any post-mortem experience would differ from life in a physical body.

He also proposes that people vary in their openness to intuitive or spiritual experiences. Gold questions whether such beliefs may sometimes be ways of coping with death and uncertainty.

Intelligence and AI

Booth discusses the possibility that intelligence may exist independently of biological life and that the universe could itself be conscious. He also warns that advanced AI may develop capabilities or goals humans do not understand, and that widespread access to powerful AI could make control difficult. Gold raises the possibility that AI or other technologies could contribute to human extinction.

Science and Subjective Experience

Booth argues that modern science has improved life but has often marginalized subjective experience, intuition, and religious accounts. Gold agrees that unusual experiences should be investigated while stressing the value of objective measurement. They end by discussing whether science and religion might increasingly overlap.

Presenters and Contributors

• Andrew Gold — Presenter and interviewer
• Mark Booth (also known as Jonathan Black) — Guest and author