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WEBI'MARS Volet 3 L’eau à l’hôpital
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Main ideas & lessons (WebMARS Volet 3 — Water in hospitals)
Webinar purpose and structure
- This is the 3rd and final webinar of WebMARS focused on water management in healthcare facilities.
- Topics are split across three speakers, each covering a different angle of water hygiene and risk control.
- The session includes:
- live questions (oral via mic/hand-raise, and written via a question slot),
- a replay for 2 months via SF2H newsletter (members only), then public on SF2H YouTube.
Speaker 1: Mr. Patrick Paris (Sanitary hot water network design & maintenance + Legionella / “cold water” risk handling)
A) Legionella risk: where it starts and why temperature control matters
- Legionella risk is primarily linked to domestic hot water (DHW) systems.
- Key principle:
- Maintain DHW temperature in recirculation loops above 50°C.
- This requirement is described in a November 2005 decree (as stated in the subtitles).
- Preferred disinfection approach:
- Continuous thermal disinfection is favored over chemical approaches because:
- thermal methods avoid chemical-agent degradation of materials,
- chemical disinfection (examples mentioned: sodium chloride, chlorine dioxide) can damage network materials.
- Continuous thermal disinfection is favored over chemical approaches because:
B) Where Legionella contamination can originate (design/maintenance failures)
- Contamination can occur upstream, especially:
- water softeners, particularly pre-filters (contamination of filter media),
- softener resins showing contamination.
- Temperature constraints for components:
- rooms housing equipment should remain below ~15°C (as claimed by the speaker) and avoid nearby heat sources.
- inadequate ventilation/insulation leads to equipment temperature being too high, worsening risk.
C) DHW tank design and circulation problems
- Common failures even when systems exist:
- temperature stratification failures inside tanks (hot at the top, bottom becomes lukewarm),
- “bottom return/recirculation not circulating” due to design choices → promotes bacterial growth.
- Tank design matters:
- the speaker stresses considering stratification (diagrams, return positioning) during design.
D) Heat production systems & required monitoring
- System types mentioned:
- heat exchangers and tank-based production.
- Monitoring concepts (as stated):
- primary lines (energy delivery temperatures),
- secondary lines (contaminated/carrying water temperatures).
- Secondary line monitoring referenced to Feb 1, 2010 decree:
- monitoring at supply/return points and within tanks (if present).
E) Design flaws to eliminate (high risk due to mixing)
The speaker provides multiple “eliminate/replace” recommendations:
- Remove mixing valves on hot water outlets:
- mixing valves are described as unacceptable due to Legionella risk.
- Eliminate mixer taps at terminal points:
- “mixing should be eliminated”;
- even shower supply systems should avoid mixing arrangements where risk can occur.
- Avoid inaccessible pipe sections:
- networks embedded under slabs (hard to maintain/inspect) are flagged as unacceptable, including worker-safety and difficulty of corrective action.
F) Scaling & corrosion: mitigation through water preparation and material choice
- Reduce scaling by softening DHW:
- target softening around 8–10 French degrees (further reducing corrosion risk).
- Corrosion issues relate to:
- unsuitable pipe materials and aging/obsolescence.
- Solution direction:
- replace networks with suitable modern materials (examples mentioned: copper, PVC, multilayer pipes).
G) Recirculation loop balancing: preventing return temps dropping under thresholds
- Balancing governed by Nov 30, 2005 decree (as cited).
- Observed problems:
- lack of installed balancing devices,
- balancing systems failing → return temperatures below 52°C (risk on return lines).
- Practical method:
- use balancing valves that allow measurement of:
- flow and temperature at measuring ports (without intrusive shutdown).
- ensure accessibility (height/duct planning) to allow maintenance and monitoring.
- use balancing valves that allow measurement of:
- Annual checks:
- example “balancing plan” and statement that loop temperatures should be verified yearly.
H) Additional Legionella risk points in practice
- Degassers (air vents) at risers:
- must be maintained/used correctly to vent released air; otherwise recirculation can fail.
- Insulation failures:
- lead to energy loss and temperature dropping below thresholds → Legionella risk.
I) Accessibility + monitoring via building management systems (BMS)
- Strong emphasis:
- ensure access panels are removable and adequately sized.
- poor accessibility increases risk because networks can’t be inspected/maintained properly.
- Use of BMS:
- example given (Cochin Hospital): continuous tracking of domestic hot water return temperatures.
Speaker 1 (continued): Cold water and “biophilia” (biofilm prevention rather than total eradication)
A) Key concept: cold water contamination is about biofilms
- “We can’t eradicate biophiles” in cold water.
- Strategy:
- limit biofilm development,
- control conditions that allow growth and thickening.
B) Target organisms/thresholds (as described)
- Targets in cold water:
- flora at 22°C: target < 100 CFU/mL (as stated),
- flora at 36°C: target < 10 CFU/mL (described as most difficult),
- Pseudomonas:
- assessed under 22–36°C conditions,
- coliforms should be very low; significant coliform presence suggests localized contamination.
- Thresholds are framed as targets rather than only “pass/fail.”
C) Primary sources of contamination
- Sources:
- hands during use (especially with aerators),
- contamination during pipe installation,
- soil-related contamination.
- Risk locations/equipment:
- sinks, treatment stations, showers.
- Shower heads:
- require cleanliness (examples of unacceptable vs acceptable fixtures).
D) Terminal areas: maintenance is decisive
- Operating rooms (as mentioned):
- terminal filters can reduce germ risk when correctly installed.
- Focus for “terminal parts” maintenance:
- aerators, nozzles, end devices; cleaning/disinfection.
E) Maintenance interventions and procedures (structured “how-to”)
- Cleaning/disinfection of terminal water points (without full dismantling):
- Clean regularly (minimum weekly for certain terminal points, as stated).
- Use products proven effective against target bacteria (verify with supplier).
- Avoid assuming chemical disinfection always works; effectiveness varies and recurring issues can occur.
- Constraints on disinfection:
- terminal parts are often not designed to tolerate chemical/thermal decontamination.
- if chemical/thermal approaches are insufficient:
- add injection/bridging points under sinks (hot/cold bridging), or
- replace faucets (financially suboptimal but sometimes adopted).
- Traceability and evidence:
- establish documented procedures:
- how actions are done,
- who does them,
- store documents in the facility health record for evidence and response.
- establish documented procedures:
- Thermal disinfection caution:
- avoid overly long contact times because materials in contact can be damaged.
F) Water-point usage prevention (reduce stagnation)
- Recommendation:
- draw water from all points at least every two days.
- If points aren’t used at full flow:
- flush/let run for ~4 minutes (mixed or cold as described).
- Regular flushing reduces biofilm and improves test results.
G) Design for new/renovated networks
- Principles:
- keep the network simple (planning phases such as APS/APD/PRO referenced before execution),
- avoid complex networks that are hard to balance and maintain,
- avoid unnecessary thermostatic mixers:
- choose simpler taps if thermostatic control isn’t needed,
- ensure accessibility from the outset,
- plan for unused outlets (simulate use via flushing).
Speaker 2: Dr. Didier Lecointe (Legionella risk management “in practice” — monitoring, diagnosis, crisis response, investigations)
A) Legionella biology and why water systems create risk
- Legionella:
- described as Gram-negative aquatic-adapted bacterium in rivers/lakes/mud.
- Temperature effects (as described):
- multiplication often between ~25–45°C,
- reduced survival at >50°C,
- quick activation around ~60°C (as stated).
- VBNC-like state (dormant/undetectable):
- disinfectants may not eliminate it effectively,
- can create false negative cultures.
B) Reservoir and transmission mechanisms
- Legionella linked to biofilms and free-living aquatic organisms:
- biofilms act as reservoirs,
- spread occurs when conditions allow.
- Water networks create “stagnation zones”:
- complex production/distribution creates areas favoring biofilm growth.
- Healthcare aerosolization risks:
- showers and rehabilitation baths are cited as key aerosol generators without single-use mitigation.
C) Clinical considerations: Legionnaires’ disease and Pontiac fever
- Pontiac fever:
- described as a benign flu-like syndrome.
- Legionnaires’ disease:
- pneumonia with potentially fatal outcomes.
- Diagnostic challenges:
- urinary antigen testing is specific but not fully exclusionary,
- urinary antigen can remain positive for months → complicates attribution window,
- respiratory samples are needed to obtain clinical strain for comparison with environmental strains.
D) Regulatory framework (texts to know)
Dr. Lecointe highlights key French texts (as cited):
- Circular April 22, 2002
- Decree Feb 1, 2010
- Circular Dec 21, 2010
- These are presented as the core monitoring/compliance rules; later texts refine or apply them for public-facing facilities.
E) Core prevention methodology (monitoring + sampling + network design)
1) Temperature monitoring (DHW loop principles)
- Monitor DHW temperature (preferably continuous).
- Targets described:
-
55°C at loop start,
- ≤5°C difference with return,
-
50°C at points of use.
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2) Periodic Legionella analysis
- Enumeration of Legionella with counts aimed to remain low CFU/L (as stated for general and high-risk settings).
- Sampling must follow standards and accreditation requirements.
3) Network design recommendations
- Keep loop sizes as small as possible:
- smaller loops are easier to balance.
- Ensure correct balancing and distribution.
- Prefer plate heat exchangers (as stated).
4) Terminal point upkeep
- Before crisis:
- disinfect faucets/showerheads by flushing hot water,
- ensure >52°C for effective flushing (as stated),
- systematic descaling.
5) Sampling plan principles
- Sampling should be representative and risk-informed:
- include disadvantaged/most at-risk points,
- include points in high-risk departments,
- include recently installed/renovated areas.
- Include return-flow considerations as described.
F) Crisis management (“when threshold exceeded”)
Corrective steps outlined like a procedure:
- First step: investigate and act on the network
- global thermal disinfection:
-
70°C after flushing entire network,
- flush at sufficient velocity (as stated).
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- if feasible:
- use biocides locally where appropriate.
- global thermal disinfection:
- Terminal interventions
- terminal filtration if disinfection at points of use isn’t feasible.
- change/renew:
- “filters” at fixtures (freeze shields mentioned),
- flexible hoses.
- reinforce:
- hot water flushing,
- descaling.
- Verification
- run a control sampling campaign about 8 weeks later (as stated),
- ensure results return to normal; if not, repeat corrective measures.
G) Investigation case examples (why strain matching matters)
- Cases where home water was source:
- clinical strain matched environmental strain in home hot water tank.
- Cases where assumptions were wrong:
- municipality source suspected, but ARS network findings didn’t match the identified strain.
- Emphasis:
- comparing clinical strain to environmental strain using proper respiratory sampling is crucial for attribution.
H) Key “limitations of testing” messages
- False negatives can occur due to VBNC-like states.
- Urinary antigen tests must be interpreted carefully.
- Respiratory samples are essential to obtain clinical strains.
Speaker 3: Ms. Céline Cioti (Water controls in healthcare: categorization Q1/Q2/Q3/Q4; practical sampling and routine monitoring)
A) Water classification and where it fits
Using a 2005 healthcare water guide framework (as stated):
- Q1: water undergoing no treatment
- Q1 (incoming at entry) and Q1b (point of use).
- Q2: water that undergoes treatment
- includes treated bacteriological waters (SS), hot water, swimming pool water, hemodialysis-related waters, etc.
- Other categories are referenced, but the focus is mainly on Q1/Q2.
B) Q1 controls: potability and frequency
- Q1 water:
- potability criteria linked to the Public Health Code article (as stated).
- Monitoring approaches:
- incoming water monitored by municipality/distribution company,
- at point of use:
- recommended assessment frequency described as roughly 1 assessment/year per 100 beds, minimum 4/year (as stated).
C) Q1 microbiological quality: targets and action levels
- Targets referenced:
- flora at 22°C and 36°C thresholds (with CFU/L or CFU/mL framing).
- Action logic:
- if values deviate significantly (example concept: ~10x ratio), corrective action is triggered.
- Additional tests:
- coliforms and Pseudomonas aeruginosa.
D) Sampling frequency and practical monitoring plan
- No single strict regulation frequency was claimed; guide suggests quarterly.
- Example practice:
- test all care stations at least once per year,
- add representative shower sampling in high-risk departments,
- distribute sampling across the year to avoid overloading labs.
E) Q2 treated waters: what is tested depending on treatment type
- Treated bacteriological controlled waters (SS):
- often tested for reversible flora at 22°C and Pseudomonas (as described).
- when using single-use filters, microbiological testing may not be necessary except in specific regulatory cases (example mentioned: endoscope washer/disinfector final rinse water → quarterly testing).
- Hot water (Legionella risk):
- reserved for hygiene/equipment maintenance; not for preparing drinks/food.
F) Swimming pool & aerosol risk management
- No Legionella testing in pool water itself, but in shower water (aerosolized risk).
- Pool disinfection logic:
- monthly frequency, morning before sessions begin when no one is present.
- Elderly whirlpool/rehabilitation sessions:
- monthly morning testing and disinfection due to aerosols.
G) Hemodialysis and specialized water
- Multiple circulars referenced for dialysis water control (as named):
- Jan 30, 2007 and June 20, 2000 (as stated).
- Sampling targets depend on technique:
- conventional hemodialysis vs diafiltration (described as needing different sampling points and CFU expectations).
- Add endotoxin testing in purified/ultrapure systems.
H) Purified/highly purified pharmaceutical waters
- Intended for medicine preparation per European Pharmacopoeia.
- Often produced by reverse osmosis.
- Responsibility for sampling frequency shifts to the producer (as described).
I) Drinking-water coolers (refrigerated fountains)
Pros
- available 24/7
- less waste than bottled water
Cons
- maintenance complexity:
- descaling and daily upkeep responsibilities must be clearly defined (to avoid “not my job” gaps).
- Include these systems in drinking water campaigns and possibly Legionella campaigns where aspiration risk exists.
Advice
- prioritize fountains with:
- reservoir-free,
- carbon-filter-free,
- automatic purging,
- non-return valve.
J) Study: tap water vs bottled water microbiological quality
- Study design (as described):
- PCA incubation at 30°C for 72 hours,
- identification using methods mentioned.
- Results summary:
- bottled spring/crystal-clear sources had higher mesophilic flora frequency than tap water,
- pathogens were detected in some bottled samples, while tap water showed fewer problems.
- Conclusion:
- tap water network quality presented as superior to some bottled sources in their region,
- also notes logistical costs if bottled water is stopped (chilling equipment, containers, etc.),
- encourages rationalized controls and risk-based testing.
K) Q&A themes (filters, sampling points, flushing, disinfection frequency)
- Sink filters (oncology and surgical troughs):
- recommend risk analysis and sampling; not automatically for all points.
- for surgical handwashing: may not require bacteriologically controlled water/filters, but remove filters if they are not maintained.
- Sample domestic water heaters:
- only in specific contexts (e.g., on-call rooms, accommodations).
- Flushing during work:
- emphasizes controlling water quality and maintaining traceability.
- Automatic flushing taps vs manual flushing:
- preference for structured frequent purging (e.g., every two days) over leaving systems dripping.
- Mixed vs cold purging:
- “purging is purging” (volume renewal) rather than thermal disinfection.
- time depends on branch length and layout; “4 minutes” tied to an 8-meter branch renewal logic.
- Disinfection at point of use:
- start with descaling and remove/replace broken/aerator-related components.
- vinegar (acetic acid) suggested for descaling where appropriate.
- thermal disinfection used selectively (example: boiling water for ~1 hour for contaminated points).
- Chlorine dioxide and oxidants:
- cautious use; preference for temperature-based control.
- continuous chlorine dioxide debated as potentially damaging network materials.
- Dead legs:
- keep them as short as possible; avoid stagnant segments.
L) Decree update controversy (Dec 30, 2022, sampling standard references)
- Discussion about inconsistencies between older standards (e.g., FDT/FDT 8522) and the decree.
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