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Markets Repeating 2008: Trader Reveals Best Places To Hide | Todd Horwitz
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Market setup: “another 2008” thesis
- Guest Todd Horwitz (“Todd Bubba Horowitz”) argues markets are “setting up for another 2008.”
- Reasons cited:
- Rising mortgage defaults, described as the highest since 2009.
- Heavy consumer/macro strain tied to high debt and weak consumers.
Interest rates / Fed outlook
- Inflation may be understated in government data; he points to retail experience where gas and household costs still feel high.
- He expects the Fed will be forced to hike rates despite weak consumers.
- Timing claims (via prediction markets, tied to the show sponsor):
- 71% chance of a hike before July 2027
- 60% chance of a hike before 2027
- He suggests a potential hike around September.
- He distinguishes between:
- Fed funds rate (policy rate expectation)
- Long-end yields (10-year notes), citing movement such as:
- 10-year notes around 114 recently, then ~109–108, implying markets pricing higher rates
- He also notes banks’ retail lending rates remain high (e.g., mortgages north of 6%).
Oil / WTI view
- Oil rebounded to about $82/bbl (references include moves from roughly $75 to ~$85).
- He says he is still short WTI, having sold some around $85.
- Core thesis:
- Global oil glut and limited geopolitical impact on WTI relative to supply/demand.
- Expectation/target:
- “Low 60s or high 50s, if not lower” by year-end.
- Recommendation framing:
- Current rally likely “as far as we’re going to go” → calls for selling.
Consumer weakness / debt stress
- He claims many consumers are deep in debt.
- He cites credit card interest of ~27%–28% and argues consumers should pay down debt rather than invest.
- He frames Fed priorities as more aligned with big business/markets than small consumers.
Tech / semiconductors and earnings-season trading
- Expects more downside in semiconductors during early earnings season.
- Earnings catalysts mentioned:
- Tesla and Google (“tomorrow” in the discussion)
- Belief that Google could drop unless there’s a clear earnings “blowout.”
- Mentions Nvidia being under pressure and implies room to fall.
- Warns that parabolic rallies often revert sharply, referencing earlier chart patterns.
- Notes an expectation of sharper moves tied to market mean-reversion behavior.
Specific stocks / instruments mentioned (tickers and names)
- Tesla: cited range ~$350 to $450 (over “a couple months”)
- Google: ticker not explicitly stated
- Nvidia: no price level given
- Intel: discussed with a “2000-style” pattern; specific levels not consistently readable
- AMD: mentioned
- Qualcomm: mentioned
- Micron Technology: “already sold off ~30%” from recent highs in “a couple weeks”
- Oracle:
- Peak referenced around ~$300
- Drop described as about ~70% from the top
- Bankruptcy concerns mentioned
- Used as an example for an oversold/mean-reversion style bounce trade (see framework below)
- SpaceX:
- Potential buy discussed after a large drop
- Reference points: ~$250 → ~$130 → as low as ~$120
- Would want it to slow down and show support before buying (otherwise wait)
Leveraged ETF caution + sentiment
- He criticizes leveraged single-stock ETFs, arguing they behave like big options with time decay and are appropriate only for short-term trading.
- Example cited:
- Codex SKH HighHex single stock leverage ETF (SKH) (ticker formatting not fully consistent in the subtitles)
- Key points about the example:
- Down ~70% from a record high in June
- Mentions margin-call/liquidation chatter and large leverage-related losses in South Korea
- Goldman Sachs data referenced:
- ~1.2 million leverage retail trading accounts in South Korea triggered margin calls as of July 13
- ~320,000–360,000 accounts fully liquidated (about 1 in 30 adults, or roughly 3.4%–4% of the adult population)
- Numeric illustration using gold:
- Gold down ~30% from its all-time high
- “NUGGET” (leveraged gold product mentioned) down ~70% from its high
Precious metals (gold / silver / platinum)
- Primarily bullish on gold, also buys silver and platinum.
- Buying levels:
- Gold: buyer around $4,000
- Says it likely won’t go below ~$3,500–$3,600
- “Willing to take that risk”
- Silver: buyer around $55
- Platinum: buyer around ~$1,600
- Gold: buyer around $4,000
- Preference/risk style:
- Wants base-building, not parabolic one-day spikes
- Dislikes $100–$200/day gold moves; mentions silver moves like $5–$6–$8/day
- Rate-hike stance for gold:
- Argues gold has already priced in rate hikes
- If hikes happen, gold may rally off it—but only if hikes occur as priced
Macro / dollar
- Expects the US dollar to strengthen due to global uncertainty and safe-haven demand (“countries buy dollars”).
- Mentions support near par and an upside range of ~102–103 (and potentially higher).
Market performance view (equities)
- Warns equities could be much worse than recent momentum.
- Mentions possibility of the S&P ending:
- unchanged or down on the year, despite being framed as ~up 11% YTD
- Expects a 40%–60% haircut at some point (timing not specified).
- Rejects “buy the dip” by default:
- Notes past V-shaped rebounds occurred before, but expects a large drawdown is still likely.
Methodology / framework elements mentioned
Leverage risk management
- Use leverage only for a very short period.
- Set an exact exit/stop before entering; no discretionary “maybe I’ll add.”
- If the leverage thesis is wrong:
- accept losses
- free capital for later re-entry
Technical setup via mean reversion / oversold
- For Oracle, he frames an oversold bounce trade:
- move described as about “three standard deviations from the mean”
- claims ~90% chance of a bounce
- Differentiates:
- Short-term trader: likely buy/bounce setup
- Long-term investor: assess fundamentals, including whether the company can stay in business for roughly 10 years
Parabolic move interpretation
- Parabolic up-moves are “unsustainable” due to lack of durable buyers.
- Expects sharp downside after vertical rises.
- Wants confirmation signals such as support / slowing before buying (example: SpaceX).
Key numbers, levels, and explicit recommendations/cautions
Credit and debt
- Mortgage defaults: highest since 2009
- Credit cards: ~27%–28% interest rate referenced
Oil / WTI
- Oil rebound: ~$82/bbl
- Sold some WTI around $85
- Year-end expectation: low 60s / high 50s, “if not lower”
- Recommendation: stay a seller
Stocks / trading levels
- Tesla: ~$350–$450 (“a couple months”)
- Micron: ~30% selloff in “a couple weeks”
- SpaceX: ~$250 → ~$130 → as low as ~$120
- Recommendation: buy only if support forms; otherwise wait
Leveraged ETF example (SKH)
- ~70% down from record high in June
- Goldman Sachs:
- 1.2M accounts margin-called
- 320k–360k liquidated as of July 13
- Macro caution: leverage products decay and can trap retail investors via margin calls
Metals buying levels / style
- Gold: buy near $4,000; possible downside risk discussed around $3,600–$3,500
- Silver: buy near $55
- Platinum: buy near $1,600
- Recommendation style: prefer base-building and steadier trends
Rates / yields
- 10-year notes:
- cited around 114, then ~109–108
- Mortgages:
- north of 6%
- Prediction market odds:
- 71% before July 2027
- 60% before 2027
- He expects hikes to be forced, possible around September
Equity drawdown risk
- Expects a 40%–60% haircut (timeline not specified)
- Host framing: S&P ~up 11% YTD, but risk of flat/down into year-end
Disclosures / disclaimers
- Subtitles include an unprompted “not financial advice”-type disclaimer not clearly present verbatim in the text provided.
- He repeatedly frames comments as trading views and emphasizes risk management.
- Sponsor: video is sponsored by Koshi (prediction market).
- Promo code mentioned: code “lin” for $10 when you trade $10 (per host ad copy).
Presenters / sources mentioned
- Todd Bubba Horowitz — founder, bubbrading.com (main guest)
- David — show host (name not fully shown in subtitles)
- Goldman Sachs — cited for South Korea leverage/margin-call statistics
- Koshi — sponsor (prediction market odds shown in-app)